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   XPost: alt.buddha.short.fat.guy   
   From: kimmerian@fastmail.fm   
      
   Jigme Dorje :   
      
   >> Hey, none of this is directed to you personally.   
      
        Let's check.  You referred to me by name and claimed I was   
   wrong about Buddhism.  So yeah, this was directed to me   
   personally.  But you failed to address what I said, so you were   
   unable to show the error you said I made.  So happens the   
   mistake was yours:  you ignorantly insisted that "Buddhism does   
   not comment negatively on life here," an obvious falsehood   
   since teachings like the Four Noble Truths cast a very critical   
   eye on worldly existence.   
      
   > I understand   
      
        You're very attached to the misunderstanding summarized by   
   your claim "Buddhism does not comment negatively on life   
   here."  Plainly untrue.  The Four Noble Truths describe life as   
   suffering and advise against rebirth.  The Lotus Sutra   
   compares this world with a burning house.  In the Padhana Sutta   
   Gotama says "I spit on my life," or "Shame on life here in   
   this world!"  Etc., etc.  Buddhism does precisely what you deny.   
      
   >> The illusory entity I am discussing is   
      
        The "illusory entity" you discussed sounded very much like   
   you:  can't communicate meaningfully -- your dogmatism   
   cripples you -- relies upon "a sense of specialness, separation   
   and superiority" (you depend on the idea that you're   
   especially awakened), and requires others to be wrong:  exactly   
   the case, since you began this part of the dialogue by   
   insisting I was mistaken about Buddhism, though you didn't give   
   more than your say-so.   
      
   > > In the world of thought forms and conceptual-based arguments,  I have   
   > > already ceded all to you; you may be lord of that realm if you wish.   
      
        No, you made up some argument that you attributed to me in   
   order to claim I screwed up, then pretended you were   
   referring to something else.  The same kind of idiocy you apply   
   to Buddhism.   
      
   Nobody in Particular :   
      
   > You're talking way over his head, conceptual-based arguments is all he   
   > understands.   
      
        Whenever I explain Jigme's misunderstandings, you yap like   
   a little dog.   
      
   -- Catawumpus   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)