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   From: kimmerian@fastmail.fm   
      
   Jigme Dorje :   
      
   > I write this as part of an ongoing spiritual dialogue taking place on   
   > this newsgroup between people who have already gone beyond the basic   
   > understanding of The Noble Truths from a horizontal perspective.   
      
        Jigme writes from the perspective of a person disturbed by   
   the life-denying, world-rejecting aspect of Buddhism   
   represented by the Four Noble Truths.  According to him there's   
   _no_ negative commentary on life in Buddhism.  Obvious   
   nonsense -- the Four Noble Truths are only one of items turning   
   his idea into pure idiocy -- but that's what he said.  The   
   honest thing would have been to correct himself, but he prefers   
   peddling typically self-infatuated assertions about going   
   "beyond the basic understanding" to conceding his basic mistake.   
      
   > Catawumpus, I feel it is ironic that no one, including myself, appears   
   > to have in fact disagreed with your position.   
      
        Jigme, you move back and forth between disagreeing with me   
   and running away from the crap you say.  Now you claim you   
   never argued, but that ain't hardly what you said before.  When   
   I pointed out Buddhism comments negatively about worldly   
   existence in items like the Four Noble Truths, you replied like   
   so:   
      
        "Cat, I beg to disagree. Buddhism does not comment   
        negatively on life here."   
      
   Message-ID:   
   a3122d76-c02e-4be7-8726-220396f05204@w30g2000yqw.googlegroups.com   
      
        Of course you were stupid as stupid can be, since Buddhism   
   is highly critical of worldly life, as I've demonstrated   
   repeatedly.  Your dogmatic assertion is clearly contradicted by   
   the Buddhist scriptures:  they describe existence as   
   suffering, they teach to escape rebirth, they compare the world   
   to a burning house, etc.   
      
        So what do you do?  Do you fix your mistake?  Not a chance.   
   You're too in love with the notion that you're an "awakened   
   one" to concede you were wrong about such a basic principle, so   
   instead you pretend you never disagreed.  But that's just a   
   lie, exactly like the claim about Buddhism you now want to deny   
   making.   
      
   -- Catawumpus   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)