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   XPost: alt.buddha.short.fat.guy   
   From: kimmerian@fastmail.fm   
      
   halfawake :   
      
   > You can't intelligently address my points without quoting them more   
      
        On the contrary:  I already did.  Obviously you can't give   
   a reply.  What you're not answering:   
      
        Tang's dictate makes practicing Buddhism nonsense.  Things   
   are fine, he insists, nirvana or samsara.  So there's no   
   reason to be concerned, no reason to follow the dhamma, no need   
   for a path.   
      
        Your comment that the Buddha did not advocate or emphasize   
   suicide is addressed to a strawman, since I haven't said he   
   did.  The opposite:  I argued that his teaching against craving   
   for non-existence in the Four Noble Truths effectively bans   
   the practice, unless it's done in some other state of mind than   
   the one he mentions.   
      
        Your idea that I insist all aspects of Buddhism aside from   
   cessation without rebirth are meaningless is false.  I've   
   consistently argued Buddhism includes world-rejecting teachings.   
   No more, no less.   
      
   -- Catawumpus   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)