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   From: epsteinrob@yahoo.com   
      
   Catawumpus wrote:   
      
   > halfawake :   
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   >>>>What do you think about the Buddha's path to liberation from delusion?   
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   > Catawumpus :   
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   >>>     I think it makes a mockery of all the talk about mountains   
   >>>remaining mountains by claiming the mountains never were   
   >>>really mountains, the cities never were really cities, so forth   
   >>>and so on.  "They are seen to be like the city of the   
   >>>Gandharvas, a dream, and Maya," or like a mirage.  Quoting from   
   >>>the Lankavatara Sutra.   
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   > 1/2:   
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   >>Thanks for answering, although I think you confused two topics I brought   
   >>up - the Buddha's path to liberation from delusion exists in Theravada   
   >>as well as Mahayana; and another interrelated question as to what you   
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   >      The confusion is yours.  I'm not playing "Theravada versus   
   > Mahayana," I'm responding to your question about the   
   > "liberation from delusion" theme.  You asked.  I answered.  You   
   > fell down a well.   
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   >>As for your understanding of Mahayana, it's a superficial view.  The   
   >>idea that mountains "remain mountains" is a/ not quite accurate, and   
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   >      The inaccuracy is yours.  I didn't either explain Mahayana   
   > to you or claim mountains remain mountains there.  I noted   
   > that talk about mountains remaining mountains becomes laughable   
   > if they're merely a dream.   
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   >   
   >>not necessarily representative of Mahayana as a whole, but of zen in   
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   >      More of your idiocy.  I didn't say a thing about "Mahayana   
   > as a whole."  You can't read.   
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   >   
   >>particular.  Don't have time now, but could discuss...   
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   >      You couldn't possibly discuss because you don't even begin   
   > to comprehend.   
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   > -- Catawumpus   
      
   I also reserve the right to express my own thoughts.  Not everything I   
   said was a response to you, but thanks for dismissing all such themes   
   wholesale with your usual delicate touch and expressions of impatience   
   and ignorance.   
      
   Robert   
      
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