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   From: kimmerian@fastmail.fm   
      
   halfawake :   
      
   > I made some specific points which you refuse to acknowledge or deal   
      
        Oh, look:  you're dodging again.  You specifically claimed   
   "The enlightened have gone beyond suffering."  But it so   
   happens that the Sakalika Sutta implies the opposite by stating   
   the Buddha _endured_ the pain he experienced when he was   
   harmed by a sharp piece of rock instead of claiming he was able   
   to avoid or transcend his disagreeable feelings, and by   
   praising him for enduring so well, which makes sense only if he   
   suffered from the pain.   
      
        Again, I don't want to lean too heavily on one word in the   
   English, but I've found a second translation that says the   
   same thing.  U Tin U's rendering states the Buddha "endured the   
   pain," same as in Thanissaro Bhikkhu's version, which   
   describes him enduring his painful feelings -- not transcending   
   or escaping them.   
      
   -- Catawumpus   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)