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   From: epsteinrob@yahoo.com   
      
   Catawumpus wrote:   
      
   > halfawake :   
   >   
   >   
   >>I made some specific points which you refuse to acknowledge or deal   
   >   
   >   
   >      Oh, look:  you're dodging again.  You specifically claimed   
   > "The enlightened have gone beyond suffering."  But it so   
   > happens that the Sakalika Sutta implies the opposite by stating   
   > the Buddha _endured_ the pain he experienced when he was   
   > harmed by a sharp piece of rock instead of claiming he was able   
   > to avoid or transcend his disagreeable feelings, and by   
   > praising him for enduring so well, which makes sense only if he   
   > suffered from the pain.   
   >   
   >      Again, I don't want to lean too heavily on one word in the   
   > English, but I've found a second translation that says the   
   > same thing.  U Tin U's rendering states the Buddha "endured the   
   > pain," same as in Thanissaro Bhikkhu's version, which   
   > describes him enduring his painful feelings -- not transcending   
   > or escaping them.   
   >   
   > -- Catawumpus   
      
   You're really a curious character.  Why do you say the same things over   
   and over again, and refuse to incorporate new information?  Are you a bot?   
      
   Oh my God, I think you're a freakin' program.   
      
   Robert   
      
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