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   XPost: alt.buddha.short.fat.guy   
   From: epsteinrob@yahoo.com   
      
   Jigme Dorje wrote:   
      
   > On Sep 11, 10:22 pm, halfawake  wrote:   
   >   
   >>Catawumpus wrote:   
   >>   
   >>>halfawake :   
   >>   
   >>>>I made some specific points which you refuse to acknowledge or deal   
   >>   
   >>>     Oh, look:  you're dodging again.  You specifically claimed   
   >>>"The enlightened have gone beyond suffering."  But it so   
   >>>happens that the Sakalika Sutta implies the opposite by stating   
   >>>the Buddha _endured_ the pain he experienced when he was   
   >>>harmed by a sharp piece of rock instead of claiming he was able   
   >>>to avoid or transcend his disagreeable feelings, and by   
   >>>praising him for enduring so well, which makes sense only if he   
   >>>suffered from the pain.   
   >>   
   >>>     Again, I don't want to lean too heavily on one word in the   
   >>>English, but I've found a second translation that says the   
   >>>same thing.  U Tin U's rendering states the Buddha "endured the   
   >>>pain," same as in Thanissaro Bhikkhu's version, which   
   >>>describes him enduring his painful feelings -- not transcending   
   >>>or escaping them.   
   >>   
   >>>-- Catawumpus   
   >>   
   >>You're really a curious character.  Why do you say the same things over   
   >>and over again, and refuse to incorporate new information?  Are you a bot?   
   >>   
   >>Oh my God, I think you're a freakin' program.   
   >>   
   >>Robert   
   >>   
   >>= = = = = =   
   >   
   >   
   > Life ia full of gradual realizations.   
      
   fer sure.   
      
   A Jewish bot from Brooklyn?  Who knew?   
      
   Robert   
      
   = = = = = = =   
      
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