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   From: firehose@everywhere.com   
      
   Jigme Dorje wrote:   
      
   > On Sep 11, 10:22 pm, halfawake  wrote:   
   >> Catawumpus wrote:   
   >> > halfawake :   
   >>   
   >> >>I made some specific points which you refuse to acknowledge or deal   
   >>   
   >> >      Oh, look:  you're dodging again.  You specifically claimed   
   >> > "The enlightened have gone beyond suffering."  But it so happens that   
   >> > the Sakalika Sutta implies the opposite by stating the Buddha   
   >> > _endured_ the pain he experienced when he was harmed by a sharp piece   
   >> > of rock instead of claiming he was able to avoid or transcend his   
   >> > disagreeable feelings, and by praising him for enduring so well,   
   >> > which makes sense only if he suffered from the pain.   
   >>   
   >> >      Again, I don't want to lean too heavily on one word in the   
   >> > English, but I've found a second translation that says the same   
   >> > thing.  U Tin U's rendering states the Buddha "endured the pain,"   
   >> > same as in Thanissaro Bhikkhu's version, which describes him enduring   
   >> > his painful feelings -- not transcending or escaping them.   
   >>   
   >> > -- Catawumpus   
   >>   
   >> You're really a curious character.  Why do you say the same things over   
   >> and over again, and refuse to incorporate new information?  Are you a   
   >> bot?   
   >>   
   >> Oh my God, I think you're a freakin' program.   
   >>   
   >> Robert   
   >>   
   >> = = = = = =   
   >   
   > Life ia full of gradual realizations.   
      
      
   Bridges to nowhere?   
      
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