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   Jigme Dorje :   
      
   > Additionally   
      
        What, you're adding to Mr. Nobody's falsehoods?  He denies   
   the Buddha's implied suffering in the Sakalika Sutta by   
   wrongly claiming my interpretation runs suffering together with   
   pain:  a flat lie, since I argued the Buddha's suffering   
   follows from the idea that he _endured_ his pain, as opposed to   
   transcending it, and the praise he gets for enduring it so   
   nicely, which would be nonsense if he didn't suffer its effects.   
      
   > pain can be said to be a cerebral interpretation of the   
   > nerve stimulation.   
      
        Say what you like.  (You always do.)  Question is what the   
   Sakalika Sutta says.  And the story that the sutta tells   
   implies the Buddha's suffering despite the idea the enlightened   
   are beyond that kind of thing.   
      
   -- Catawumpus   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)