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   XPost: alt.buddha.short.fat.guy   
   From: kimmerian@fastmail.fm   
      
   Nobody in Particular :   
      
   > The way i always heard it, the sensory experience does not change.   
   > I don't know if "pain" is the same if the interpretation and label of that   
   > experience is different. The one thing that is clear to me however, he did   
   > not add dukkha (badly translated as "suffering") to that experience, so he   
   > did not "suffer" pain.   
      
        Insisting on your beliefs doesn't change the story told in   
   the Sakalika Sutta, which implies the Buddha's suffering.   
   Again, the sutta says he _endured_ the pain he received when he   
   was struck by a sharp piece of rock -- _not_ that he   
   transcended its effects -- and it credits him for enduring very   
   well, all of which would be nonsensical if he was   
   suffering-free:  no suffering, nothing to endure, and no reason   
   for the praise.   
      
   -- Catawumpus   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)