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   From: evelyn.ruut@gmail.com   
      
   "Jigme Dorje"  wrote in message   
   news:bcc85a06-803b-4f7b-9afa-be5a94d8bc98@k30g2000vbn.googlegroups.com...   
   > On Sep 14, 12:35 pm, Hollywood Lee  wrote:   
   >> On Sep 13, 10:22 pm, halfawake  wrote:   
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   >> > Catawumpus wrote:   
   >> > > halfawake :   
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   >> > >>He picks up new info in an odd way.  All of his info is contained in   
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   >> > >      I guess Rob has to tell himself something.  His "new" info   
   >> > > is old news, like the two arrows, and it doesn't remove the   
   >> > > items disputing him, for example the Buddha's implied suffering   
   >> > > in the Sakalika Sutta, the practice of religious suicide in   
   >> > > Buddhist scripture and history, and the critical perspective on   
   >> > > worldly existence in the Four Noble Truths and related   
   >> > > teachings.  He can try to ignore them, but that won't make them   
   >> > > go away.   
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   >> > > -- Catawumpus   
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   >> > I haven't ignored them.  I've acknowledged all of them, everything you   
   >> > said, and included them in my posts after that, but you just won't   
   >> > accept it.   
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   >> You should probably take your own assessment seriously, and just let   
   >> go of the fruitless discussion.  Cat has done an admirable job of   
   >> getting people to react to his studied ignorance of your explanations   
   >> - his posts on suffering are splendid examples of intentional   
   >> misunderstanding as a tactical tool in debate.  Why go further?- Hide   
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   > Yes, and the games don't stop there only. As long as there is any kind   
   > of clinging to positions, this medium will continue to be rife with   
   > the barren hashing and rehashing of intellectual ground and the   
   > attendent stalemates, frustrations and ego strengthening that result   
   > from it. A little banter is fun but ultimately self defeating.   
   >   
   > But I've been glad to meet some sincere practitioners here and some   
   > great characters.  One wrote me that he seldom posts because he is not   
   > interested in arguing, and has nothing to convince others of anyway.   
   > Since that's where I stand also, I join him in returning to silence. I   
   > had a single statement to make and, having made it, return to   
   > practice.   
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   > My statement is: practice works, and awareness finds you when you give   
   > up looking and are not in contention with what is.   
   >   
   > Relax and take heart!   
   >   
   > Peace out.   
      
      
   Dear Jigme,   
      
   I can understand what you say and relate to your comments.   
   I drift in and out of this group also.   
      
   --   
   Best Regards,   
   Evelyn   
      
   In the stony fastness of the mountains there is a strange market, where one   
   may barter the vortex of life for boundless bliss.  - Milarepa   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
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