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   From: kimmerian@fastmail.fm   
      
   RaaN :   
      
   > The path is like the raft that is not to be carried about after   
   > arriving.   
      
        Certainly not according to you.  You told me that the path   
   leads nowhere, remember?  But a raft you're not carrying   
   around after arriving _has_ gone somewhere.  And judging by the   
   Four Noble Truths, so does the path:  it leaves the world --   
   described as a place of suffering -- by leading away from birth   
   and rebirth.   
      
   > The other shore is not somewhere else at some other time.   
   > The ignorant state and the enlightened state are not two.   
   > The eightfold path is a means to arrive where you already are.   
   > Now here. Nowhere.   
      
        Oh, look:  another preacher heard from.  Everybody's Jerry   
   Falwell around here.   
      
   -- Catawumpus   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)