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   From: daletx@gnusguy.com   
      
   Awaken21 wrote:   
   > On Sep 15, 4:25 pm, Nobody in Particular  wrote:   
   >> halfawake wrote:   
   >>> Awaken21 wrote:   
   >>>> On Sep 15, 10:36 am, Hollywood Lee  wrote:   
   >>>>> Sure, and irrespective of the silly content and poor logic quality of   
   >>>>> his posts, he is able to demonstrate that all the years of meditation   
   >>>>> and Buddhist practice are of little value,   
   >>>> you know what the emotional conditions of  the person's in question   
   >>>> were before they started meditating?   
   >>>> if you don't know mental emotional conditions of the person to start   
   >>>> with I don't believe it's possible to accurately measure efficacy over   
   >>>> time or value of the practice to that person.   
   >>> I agree with that!  But I think the reactivity and attachment in these   
   >>> arguments at the very least shows how hard it is to reach detachment and   
   >>> maintain equanimity.   
   >   
   > it shows us ourselves when we lack the mental discipline to let go of   
   > what it is we believe identifies us as a separated entity.   
   >   
   >>>  Even if half the people around here started out as   
   >>> basket cases, or just started practicing yesterday, it is still pretty   
   >>> widespread to get self at stake and start arguing like our lives depend   
   >>> on it.  Maybe not true for everyone, and to me it doesn't mean practice   
   >>> is not effective - just that I think for most of us, it seems to be a   
   >>> long, slow path.   
   >   
   > Yes, when you were digging yourself in time just flew by and now the   
   > expectation of quick fix.   
   >  we are all spoiled children, damned to hell.   
      
   Or we are all damned children, spoiled to hell.   
      
   DT   
      
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