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   From: kimmerian@fastmail.fm   
      
   RaaN :   
      
   > > > To say he "endured" implies he suffered   
      
   Catawumpus :   
      
   >> My point exactly. By saying the Buddha _endured_ the pain   
   >> that he received from a sharp piece of rock and piling him   
   >> with praising for enduring well, the Sakalika Sutta implies his   
   >> suffering. Otherwise there's nothing for him to endure, no   
   >> reason to praise him for doing it nicely, and the sutta becomes   
   >> nonsensical.   
      
   Raan:   
      
   > There is no arguing with a fool that doesn't have the brain to realize   
   > he has already been beaten, therefore I decline to continue with this   
      
    There's a change: rather than the unsupported accusations   
   that have been standard operating procedure in these   
   newsgroups, you're making a baseless claim of victory. Equally   
   meaningless, but something new.   
      
   > futile endeavor. Suffice it to say it has been widely recognized by   
   > most any intelligent person here.that your argument is indeed fallacious   
      
    Widely asserted by dimwits unable to show anywhere I spoke   
   falsely. Like for example you. So now you're appealing to   
   the mob instead of giving anything that backs up your criticism.   
      
    By contrast, I've explained where your errors are. You've   
   wrongly accused me of equivocation (I've been clear and   
   consistent, ergo I'm not guilty -- notice your lack of examples   
   to the contrary), and you rested your claims on what you   
   imagined the word "suffering" meant when "offered as a   
   translation" in the Sakalika Sutta, not realizing it isn't used   
   there.   
      
   > and the very fact that you yourself admit you have not   
   > moved your position just underscores how foolish you actually are.   
      
    Actually it shows you're a dunce to claim I retreated from   
   what I said.   
      
   -- Catawumpus   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)   
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