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From: usagi@tsukino.ca
On 01/28/2012 01:17 AM, pacman wrote:
> On Jan 28, 12:10 am, Tsukino Usagi wrote:
>> On 01/27/2012 06:31 PM, Allen Barker wrote:
>>
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>>> On 01/27/2012 02:10 AM, i2i wrote:
>>
>>>> "Tsukino Usagi" wrote in message
>>>> news:jft07o$8rv$1@dont-email.me...
>>>>> On 01/27/2012 10:04 AM, Sevenhundred Elves wrote:
>>>>>> Tsukino Usagi wrote:
>>
>>>>>>> On 01/10/2012 01:15 AM, i2i wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>> "pi" wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:wZKdndLavP8Ok5bSnZ2dnUVZ_sednZ2d@giganews.com...
>>>>>>>>> i2i wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>>>> "pi" wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>> news:pNmdnSdN-KBmT5fSnZ2dnUVZ_r-dnZ2d@giganews.com...
>>>>>>>>>>> i2i wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "pi" wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>> news:XpGdncJGwP4l3pfSnZ2dnUVZ_rednZ2d@giganews.com...
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is enlightenment most of all a state of being free?
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> pi
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> what else were you looking for ?
>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The Truth.
>>
>>>>>>>>>> but the truth about what exactly ?
>>
>>>>>>>>> what exactly do you mean?
>>
>>>>>>>>> pi
>>
>>>>>>>> what exact truth would
>>>>>>>> satisfy your search ?
>>
>>>>>>>> could you recognize what you
>>>>>>>> deem to be truth from the standpoint
>>>>>>>> of the slippery human dilemma ?
>>
>>>>>>> I am a fully enlightened zen master. I can prove it. Go ahead, ask me
>>>>>>> something only a fully enlightened zen master would know.
>>
>>>>>> How do you become a fully enlightened Zen master?
>>
>>>>>> S.
>>
>>>>> Asking questions is a good start.
>>>>> There's a lot of little things,
>>>>> So attention to detail is also required...
>>>>> You can train that by learning to read Chiense or Japanese -- just a
>>>>> suggestion there, not a
>>>>> requirement. Although there are many cultural cues you won't
>>>>> appreciate (as someone who doesn't
>>>>> know the language) until you try.
>>>>> Ultimately the best way to become a fully enlightened Zen master is
>>>>> to already be one. But that
>>>>> would require you to act like one -- but, to act like one before they
>>>>> became a fully enlightened
>>>>> Zen master. You're trying to emulate their success, remember? That is
>>>>> the goal here, right?
>>>>> Practice makes perfect.
>>
>>>>> There's also a handful of secret techniques I will teach you if you
>>>>> pay me. I won't discuss those
>>>>> here. But they can be had for free if you dedicate your life to it,
>>>>> maybe, drop out of school like
>>>>> I did or forget about normal work. Hmm. Maybe that is, in a way, one
>>>>> of the secrets. In the
>>>>> immortal words of Japan's famous swordsmaster, "An art without Gokui
>>>>> is not worth studying." Now,
>>>>> be a good little american and wake the fuck up about all this, and
>>>>> you will be WELL on your way.
>>
>>>>> Trust me.
>>
>>>> nobody's buying it and if you could
>>>> see how ridiculous you look trying
>>>> to pull it off you'd run somewhere
>>>> and puke. hth.
>>
>>> Maybe try to see it as comic relief. ;-)
>>
>> The second you allow yourself to see me as comic releif and not remain
>> open to the possibility (however small) that I am right, is the moment
>> you fail as a spiritual human being. Die like that, and you might not
>> ever even get to be a human again. Watch out, allen...
>
> get over us, get used to the pattern. there's no use helping.
If you cannot learn to accept me and get along with me, you will be
forever trapped by your karma alone. You gotta make it right with me, or
whats the point of making it right with anyone? Here I am, sitting on a
buddhist newsgroup, and (maybe not for you, but for some) I am the
biggest stone around their neck they have ever experienced.
If you can't get over me, you have no hope. 700 was right to ask. Asking
is step one. It's so important, many say it is the only step. But with a
clear mind, on the other side, you can see and proceed through many
others. Here's to your good luck ^^
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