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From: ultimate.henchman.777@gmail.com
On Sep 18, 11:20 am, Peter Terpstra wrote:
> Samsara - Grasping & Clinging
>
> How can we get away from and become completely independent of things,
everyone has their part to play. this is the foundation of one. not
all the same thing. all doing different things.
> all of which are transient, unsatisfactory and devoid of selfhood? The
how can you be sure? introducing a word like transient is the classic
blunder. is this the way you used to feel, the way you feel now or,
likely, the what you want to feel as an opposition to the way it is?
like suggesting you could be happier, are you not happy now? so you
want to be more happy?... more happy? isn't happy good enough?
> answer is that we have to find out what is the cause of our desiring
> those things and clinging to them. Knowing that cause, we shall be in a
> position to eliminate clinging completely. Buddhists recognize four
really? so then your opinion is as meaningless as you.
> different kinds of clinging or attachment. 1) Sensual attachment
> (Kamupanana) is clinging to attractive and desirable sense objects. It
> is the attachment that we naturally develop for things we like and find
> satisfaction in: colors and shapes, sounds, odours, tastes, tactile
> objects, or mental images, objects past, present, or future that arise
> in the mind, and either correspond to material objects in the world
> outside or within the body, or are just imaginings. We instinctively
> find pleasure, enchantment, delight in these six kinds of sense objects.
> They induce delight and enchantment in the mind perceiving them.
contradiction. they despise them and yet they delight in them in the
mind perceiving them. like watching a rape i suppose.
> As soon as an individual is born, he comes to know the taste of these
> six sense objects, and clings to them; and as time passes he becomes
> more and more firmly attached to them. Ordinary people are incapable of
yes. when i was challenged by walking running became an obsession.
ordinary people? there is nothing ordinary about thus other than the
mundane life. the rest is between your ears,
> withdrawing from them again, so they present a major problem. It is
> necessary to have a proper knowledge and understanding of these sense
proper knowledge and understanding? hahaha.. this means you of course.
> objects and to act appropriately with respect to them, otherwise
ahhhh yes. the old no. no as the limit. no as what children should be
taught and yet no, they are not. the law of no is simple enough to
understand and as far as karma goes, the only thing you need to know.
> clinging to them may lead to complete and utter dereliction. If we
> examine the case history of any person who has sunk into dereliction, we
examine the case history doctor? fascinating.
> always find that it has come about through his clinging fast to some
> desirable sense object. Actually every single thing a human being does
> has its origin in sensuality. Whether we love, become angry, hate, feel
everything? interesting, since peter is to fucking ignorant to post
his own shit i guess i will have to wait to hear your retort...
> envious, murder, or commit suicide, the ultimate cause must be some
> sense object. If we investigate what is it that drives human beings to
injustice, do you have a sense for it? because i have a taste for it.
well, not really a taste, more like a scent...
> work energetically, or to do anything at all for that matter, we find it
animals do not respond to pressure. they respond to abuse. people
respond to pressure and abuse.
> is desire, desire to get things of one kind or another. People strive,
here is a man who has felt every sensation, here is another, one is
going to hell...
> study, and earn what money they can, and then go off in search of
> pleasure in the form of colors and shapes, sounds, odors, tastes, and
> tactile objects which is what keeps them going. Even merit making in
money doesn't fill the belly or the mind. when there is not food...
make as much money as you must.
> order to go to heaven has its origins simply in a wish based on
> sensuality. Taken together, all the trouble and chaos in the world has
> its origin in sensuality.
in order to go to heaven... now there is a completely entirely
contradictory statement devastating the entire content of this piece.
> The danger of sensuality lies in the power of sensual attachment. For
are you sure that is the danger? can you be sentual without the
desire? it is one of the aims after all... of buddhism and yoga i
mean... when does your bullshit start to date?
> this reason the Buddha reckoned clinging to sensuality as the primary
> form of attachment. It is a real world problem. Whether the world is to
yet. our modern buddha kundun has clung at every turn. what other
example is there? none.
> be completely destroyed, or whatever is to happen, is bound to depend on
> this very sensual clinging. It behooves us to examine ourselves to find
yet you have set this stone and have stopped examining.
> out in what ways we are attached to sensuality and how firmly, and
> whether it is not perhaps within our power to give it up. Speaking in
> worldly terms, attachment to sensuality is a very good thing. It
> conduces to family love, to diligence and energy in the search for
> wealth and fame, and so on. But if looked at from the spiritual point of
no, those people have none of those things. they have bought a product
and when the money is gone...
> view, it is seen to be the secret en trance for suffering and torment.
> Spiritually speaking, attachment to sensuality is something to be kept
> under control. And if all suffering is to be eliminated, sensual
ahhh... some enlightenment.
> attachment has to be done away with completely. 2) Attachment to
> opinions (Ditthupadana). Clinging to views and opinions is not difficult
> to detect and identify once we do a little introspection. Ever since we
really?
> were born into the world, we have been receiving instruction and
> training, which has given rise to ideas and opinions. In speaking here
so? do not defeat your own argument twice in a single piece.
> of opinions, what we have in mind is the kind of ideas one hangs on to
> and refuses to let go of. To cling to one's own ideas and opinions is
everyone is looking for a life preserver.
> quite natural and is not normally condemned or disapproved of. But it is
> no less grave a danger than attachment to attractive and desirable
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