XPost: alt.philosophy, alt.religion.hindu, alt.philosophy.taoism   
   From: being@....   
      
   Dale wrote:   
      
   >one thing I wonder is whether illogic exists outside the mind, or   
   >whether it exists in the mind, what I think or observe as illogic   
   >might be a process of different abstraction   
      
   I like to use a number-line metaphor.   
      
   Given the Real numbers,   
   there are an infinite number of Rational numbers.   
   There are an even greater infinity of Irrational numbers.   
      
   There can be found a location of sorts, a point,   
   such as the square root of two. That's logical in a way.   
      
   In another way,   
   the square root of two cannot be expressed   
   as a ratio of two whole numbers. In its decimal form,   
   it never ends nor repeats itself, and thus is illogical   
   when seen from that perspective.   
      
   A number line can be drawn on paper.   
   It can be said to exist outside the mind.   
   Lots of sayings can be said.   
   Quibbles vary.   
      
   >when I run out of logic I seem to open my mind to different ideas   
      
   Beyond the Real numbers are the Complex varieties.   
   The square root of a minus one is Imaginary.   
   Logic in various forms is illogical.   
      
   Imaginary numbers can be said to exist   
   on paper, as well as in other realms.   
      
   >abstraction might be combinations of logical variance   
   >abstraction might be random   
   >abstraction might be illogic   
      
   An abstract ion can get all charged up.   
   As far as words and symbols go.   
      
   >abstraction is freedom I think, if there are Gods, and I put faith in   
   >that, the reason for dukkha is to learn logic as well must be heeded,   
   >logic just as fine of a wine as abstraction, that is if we are to live   
   >collectively in a "heaven" above maya, etc.   
   >   
   >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maya_%28illusion%29   
      
   Skillful crafting has been a connotation.   
      
   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlfVjKzyN5Y   
      
   Maya and lila may dance.   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)