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   XPost: alt.religion.hindu, talk.religion.pantheism, alt.religion.wicca   
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   From: dalton@nfld.com   
      
   On Nov 29, 2019, David Dalton wrote   
   (in article<0001HW.2391AAA50364DE5570000E5F62CF@news.eternal-september.org>):   
      
   > On Nov 27, 2019, dale wrote   
   > (in article<963utel6hseu75re2eh573misn4qoh7tdq@4ax.com>):   
   >   
   > > What are the metaphysics that explain suffering and an ending of   
   > > suffering.   
   > >   
   > > Here is one that makes some sense to me ...   
   > >   
   > > “You are not IN the universe, you ARE the universe, an intrinsic part   
   > > of it. Ultimately you are not a person, but a focal point where the   
   > > universe is becoming conscious of itself. What an amazing miracle.”   
   > >   
   > > Eckhart Tolle, A New Earth   
   >   
   > I think saying that “I am one with the universe” is stupid. I am   
   > a subset of the universe, though that does not necessarily   
   > imply that my consciousness is a subset of the consciousness   
   > of the universe, which itself is a subset of the universe. And   
   > I believe that the universe was conscious long before the   
   > human species was around.   
      
   Saying that “I am one with the universe” can be related to   
   the belief by some Wiccans that their Goddess and   
   Horned God are female and male aspects of The All   
   and other gods and goddesses are aspects of the   
   Goddess and Horned God. Though I am a neopagan,   
   I don’t subscribe to that view, but believe that many   
   gods and goddesses once lived as humans and   
   are not merely facets of The All. Also I don’t believe   
   that a subset of The All counts as an aspect of The All.   
      
   > Also you posted to alt.religion.pantheism, which is not in   
   > my newsgroups list, instead of talk.religion.pantheism, which is.   
      
   I just downloaded a new list of groups from Eternal September   
   and it does include free.metaphysics, but not alt.metaphysics,   
   talk.philosophy.metaphysics, or alt.religion.pantheism.   
      
   Also alt.buddha.short.fat.guy has a lot more traffic than   
   alt.religion.buddhism .   
      
   --   
   David Dalton dalton@nfld.com http://www.nfld.com/~dalton (home page)   
   http://www.nfld.com/~dalton/dtales.html Salmon on the Thorns (mystic page)   
   “‘Early morning jubilators/Up to no good instigators.../Sons of long   
   forgotten races/That the darkest night embraces.” (Hynes/O'Doherty)   
      
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