XPost: talk.religion.buddhism, alt.zen, alt.philosophy.zen   
   XPost: alt.buddha.short.fat.guy   
   From: oxtail@nowhere.org   
      
   Catawumpus wrote:   
      
   > oxtail :   
   >   
   >>  Do you believe in gods the Buddha talked about?   
   >   
   >      I believe that you're wriggling again -- and look, you are.   
   > We've been discussing what the Apannaka Sutta says, not whether to   
   > believe what's said there.  In the sutta, the Buddha clearly declares   
   > "there actually is the next world."  He states that the assertion "there   
   > actually is the next world" is "right speech," "true dhamma," etc.  He   
   > distinguishes "the good destination" in the next world from the bad one.   
   >  So forth and so on.   
   >   
   >      You don't gotta believe what the Buddha says there or even   
   > that the historical Buddha said so.  But misrepresenting the sutta to   
   > make it match your beliefs is dishonesty of an obvious kind.   
      
      
   Sorry, I was not doing   
   what you think I was doing.   
   I was looking for what the Buddha   
   actually wanted us to do.   
      
   Do you think he wanted us   
   to believe whatever he said?   
      
   --   
   Oxtail is not doing what he thinks he is doing here.   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)