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   XPost: alt.buddha.short.fat.guy   
   From: kimmerian@fastmail.fm   
      
   oxtail :   
      
   > Sorry, I was not doing   
   > what you think I was doing.   
   > I was looking for what the Buddha   
   > actually wanted us to do.   
      
        Oh?  That's interesting, because the way I've heard it you   
   aren't doing what you think you're doing.  ("Oxtail is not   
   doing what he thinks he is doing here.")  You've been giving an   
   interpretation of the Apannaka Sutta that tries to deny the   
   Buddha teaches the existence of the next world as he's depicted   
   there.   
      
        So happens that you're mistaken, since the sutta describes   
   him saying "there actually is the next world," stating the   
   "there actually is the next world" is "right speech," declaring   
   that the proposition "there actually is the next world" is   
   "true dhamma," referring to "the good destination" and "the bad   
   destination," etc.   
      
   > Do you think he wanted us   
   > to believe whatever he said?   
      
        I think that you have trouble facing up to what he says in   
   the Apannaka Sutta.   
      
   -- Catawumpu   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)