XPost: talk.religion.buddhism, alt.zen, alt.philosophy.zen   
   XPost: alt.buddha.short.fat.guy   
   From: oxtail@nowhere.org   
      
   Keynes wrote:   
      
   > oxtail  wrote:   
   >>zenworm wrote:   
   >>> On Aug 13, 7:32 am, Catawumpus  wrote:   
   >>>> Jigme Dorje :   
   >>>>   
   >>>> >> OK, you win. Everybody's an idiot except you.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>      Definitely idiotic of you to think your little circle adds   
   >>>> up to everyone.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> > > I first noticed this phenomenon in Korea where the person who   
   >>>> > > shouts the loudest wins the argument. But it happens here too,   
   >>>> > > without the shouting. The means justify the ends, and if you have   
   >>>> > > to twist the oher person's words, throw around invalid arguments   
   >>>> > > to confuse the issue and misrepresent the others positions,   
   >>>> > > that's ok, just as long as you get the last word in - it's a   
   >>>> > > battle of attrition.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>      Funny thing is that I just lately handed you the last word   
   >>>> in roughly half-a-dozen places and returned to politely ignoring you   
   >>>> -- same thing I was doing before you grabbed me by the arm and   
   >>>> started preaching.  Result:  only a day or so later you're back   
   >>>> again, following-up my posts in order to kick and fuss.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> zenworm :   
   >>>>   
   >>>> > Perhaps Catawumpus is   
   >>>> > a woman who has lost a child   
   >>>> > and suffers from the anger of grief.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>      Perhaps zenworm speculates about me because he's unable to   
   >>>> address what I've said.  When last heard from he was busy making   
   >>>> excuses, stamping his feet, and referring to examples he hadn't   
   >>>> given.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> -- Catawumpus   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>> Perhaps you are terminally ill?   
   >>>   
   >>> Is there anything this worm can do to help?   
   >>>   
   >>> It is said 'time heals all wounds',   
   >>> but that does not seem true.   
   >>> All that seems to happen in time   
   >>> is learning to live with wounds and scars. That ownership causes   
   >>> suffering.   
   >>> The only way to end suffering is to 'put down'* the identity that   
   >>> resists this Moment. (by ownership of expectations and other things)   
   >>> The emotional anguish of refusing accepting. is sometimes displaced   
   >>> into argumentativeness... Cater(wumpus)wauling?   
   >>>   
   >>> *put down:   
   >>> - to release hold of something held   
   >>> as in placing 'it' on the ground so as to divest oneself of it. - to   
   >>> put a suffering beast out of its misery as in euthanasia/mercy   
   >>> killing.   
   >>> - to bring attention to a feature having a less than desirable result   
   >>> on behalf of its owner.   
   >>>   
   >>> Put it all down.   
   >>>   
   >>> "This katana is sharp.   
   >>> The long years of its use   
   >>> have made these helping hands strong." - Nemo Toda   
   >>>   
   >>> ^~   
   >>   
   >>   
   >>Let's see why this is not skillful enough. Anyone?   
   >   
   > One can't change his mind by means of his mind. The mind road is   
   > circular just going around and around.   
   >   
   > Meditation is a wordless way to investigate. Is or is-not misses the   
   > point.   
   >   
   > There is no useful substitute for mindful present attention.   
      
      
   And?   
      
   --   
   Oxtail is not doing what he thinks he is doing here.   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)