XPost: talk.religion.buddhism, alt.zen, alt.philosophy.zen   
   XPost: alt.buddha.short.fat.guy   
   From: oxtail@nowhere.org   
      
   Keynes wrote:   
      
   > oxtail  wrote:   
   >>Keynes wrote:   
   >>> oxtail  wrote:   
   >>>>zenworm wrote:   
   >>>>> On Aug 13, 7:32 am, Catawumpus  wrote:   
   >>>>>> Jigme Dorje :   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> >> OK, you win. Everybody's an idiot except you.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>      Definitely idiotic of you to think your little circle adds   
   >>>>>> up to everyone.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> > > I first noticed this phenomenon in Korea where the person who   
   >>>>>> > > shouts the loudest wins the argument. But it happens here too,   
   >>>>>> > > without the shouting. The means justify the ends, and if you   
   >>>>>> > > have to twist the oher person's words, throw around invalid   
   >>>>>> > > arguments to confuse the issue and misrepresent the others   
   >>>>>> > > positions, that's ok, just as long as you get the last word in   
   >>>>>> > > - it's a battle of attrition.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>      Funny thing is that I just lately handed you the last word   
   >>>>>> in roughly half-a-dozen places and returned to politely ignoring   
   >>>>>> you -- same thing I was doing before you grabbed me by the arm and   
   >>>>>> started preaching.  Result:  only a day or so later you're back   
   >>>>>> again, following-up my posts in order to kick and fuss.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> zenworm :   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> > Perhaps Catawumpus is   
   >>>>>> > a woman who has lost a child   
   >>>>>> > and suffers from the anger of grief.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>      Perhaps zenworm speculates about me because he's unable to   
   >>>>>> address what I've said.  When last heard from he was busy making   
   >>>>>> excuses, stamping his feet, and referring to examples he hadn't   
   >>>>>> given.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> -- Catawumpus   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Perhaps you are terminally ill?   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Is there anything this worm can do to help?   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> It is said 'time heals all wounds',   
   >>>>> but that does not seem true.   
   >>>>> All that seems to happen in time   
   >>>>> is learning to live with wounds and scars. That ownership causes   
   >>>>> suffering.   
   >>>>> The only way to end suffering is to 'put down'* the identity that   
   >>>>> resists this Moment. (by ownership of expectations and other things)   
   >>>>> The emotional anguish of refusing accepting. is sometimes displaced   
   >>>>> into argumentativeness... Cater(wumpus)wauling?   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> *put down:   
   >>>>> - to release hold of something held   
   >>>>> as in placing 'it' on the ground so as to divest oneself of it. - to   
   >>>>> put a suffering beast out of its misery as in euthanasia/mercy   
   >>>>> killing.   
   >>>>> - to bring attention to a feature having a less than desirable   
   >>>>> result on behalf of its owner.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Put it all down.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> "This katana is sharp.   
   >>>>> The long years of its use   
   >>>>> have made these helping hands strong." - Nemo Toda   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> ^~   
   >>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>>Let's see why this is not skillful enough. Anyone?   
   >>>   
   >>> One can't change his mind by means of his mind. The mind road is   
   >>> circular just going around and around.   
   >>>   
   >>> Meditation is a wordless way to investigate. Is or is-not misses the   
   >>> point.   
   >>>   
   >>> There is no useful substitute for mindful present attention.   
   >>   
   >>   
   >>And?   
   >   
   > There's nowhere to go and no time to get there. What are you looking   
   > for?   
   >   
   > Explanations are not forthcoming.   
      
      
   Are you skillful at listening to other people?   
      
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