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   XPost: talk.religion.buddhism, alt.zen, alt.philosophy.zen   
   XPost: alt.buddha.short.fat.guy   
   From: oxtail@nowhere.org   
      
   zenworm wrote:   
      
   > On Aug 13, 12:34 pm, oxtail  wrote:   
   >> Keynes wrote:   
   >> > oxtail  wrote:   
   >> >>zenworm wrote:   
   >> >>> On Aug 13, 7:32 am, Catawumpus  wrote:   
   >> >>>> Jigme Dorje :   
   >>   
   >> >>>> >> OK, you win. Everybody's an idiot except you.   
   >>   
   >> >>>>      Definitely idiotic of you to think your little circle adds   
   >> >>>> up to everyone.   
   >>   
   >> >>>> > > I first noticed this phenomenon in Korea where the person who   
   >> >>>> > > shouts the loudest wins the argument. But it happens here too,   
   >> >>>> > > without the shouting. The means justify the ends, and if you   
   >> >>>> > > have to twist the oher person's words, throw around invalid   
   >> >>>> > > arguments to confuse the issue and misrepresent the others   
   >> >>>> > > positions, that's ok, just as long as you get the last word in   
   >> >>>> > > - it's a battle of attrition.   
   >>   
   >> >>>>      Funny thing is that I just lately handed you the last word   
   >> >>>> in roughly half-a-dozen places and returned to politely ignoring   
   >> >>>> you -- same thing I was doing before you grabbed me by the arm and   
   >> >>>> started preaching.  Result:  only a day or so later you're back   
   >> >>>> again, following-up my posts in order to kick and fuss.   
   >>   
   >> >>>> zenworm :   
   >>   
   >> >>>> > Perhaps Catawumpus is   
   >> >>>> > a woman who has lost a child   
   >> >>>> > and suffers from the anger of grief.   
   >>   
   >> >>>>      Perhaps zenworm speculates about me because he's unable to   
   >> >>>> address what I've said.  When last heard from he was busy making   
   >> >>>> excuses, stamping his feet, and referring to examples he hadn't   
   >> >>>> given.   
   >>   
   >> >>>> -- Catawumpus   
   >>   
   >> >>> Perhaps you are terminally ill?   
   >>   
   >> >>> Is there anything this worm can do to help?   
   >>   
   >> >>> It is said 'time heals all wounds',   
   >> >>> but that does not seem true.   
   >> >>> All that seems to happen in time   
   >> >>> is learning to live with wounds and scars. That ownership causes   
   >> >>> suffering.   
   >> >>> The only way to end suffering is to 'put down'* the identity that   
   >> >>> resists this Moment. (by ownership of expectations and other   
   >> >>> things) The emotional anguish of refusing accepting. is sometimes   
   >> >>> displaced into argumentativeness... Cater(wumpus)wauling?   
   >>   
   >> >>> *put down:   
   >> >>> - to release hold of something held   
   >> >>> as in placing 'it' on the ground so as to divest oneself of it. -   
   >> >>> to put a suffering beast out of its misery as in euthanasia/mercy   
   >> >>> killing.   
   >> >>> - to bring attention to a feature having a less than desirable   
   >> >>> result on behalf of its owner.   
   >>   
   >> >>> Put it all down.   
   >>   
   >> >>> "This katana is sharp.   
   >> >>> The long years of its use   
   >> >>> have made these helping hands strong." - Nemo Toda   
   >>   
   >> >>> ^~   
   >>   
   >> >>Let's see why this is not skillful enough. Anyone?   
   >>   
   >> > One can't change his mind by means of his mind. The mind road is   
   >> > circular just going around and around.   
   >>   
   >> > Meditation is a wordless way to investigate. Is or is-not misses the   
   >> > point.   
   >>   
   >> > There is no useful substitute for mindful present attention.   
   >>   
   >> And?   
   >>   
   >   
   > Caterwumpus does not need to be 'fixed'.   
   >   
   > ^~   
      
      
   Can he be helped?   
      
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