XPost: talk.religion.buddhism, alt.zen, alt.philosophy.zen   
   XPost: alt.buddha.short.fat.guy   
   From: niunian@ymail.com   
      
   On Fri, 13 Aug 2010 02:01:50 -0500, Keynes    
   wrote:   
      
   >On Fri, 13 Aug 2010 02:51:54 -0400, "Evelyn"  wrote:   
   >   
   >>   
   >>"zenworm"  wrote in message   
   >>news:1d2d9683-eb09-48f3-b085-e56165f60ae0@f6g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...   
   >>> On Aug 12, 8:43 pm, Jigme Dorje  wrote:   
   >>>> On Aug 12, 3:20 pm, Catawumpus  wrote:   
   >>>>   
   >>>> > halfawake :   
   >>>>   
   >>>> > > I was asserting something more than that.  I didn't say puritans were   
   >>>>   
   >>>> >      You argued "puritans in every tradition reject sensory and   
   >>>> > physical experience" generally "in favor of purely mental   
   >>>> > experience from the neck up."  But that ain't so.  A puritan is   
   >>>> > "a person with censorious moral beliefs, esp. about   
   >>>> > pleasure and sex."  Puritans don't object to cold showers, hard   
   >>>> > work, or other forms of physical experience in keeping with   
   >>>> > their morality.  Ergo you understand puritanism as poorly as do   
   >>>> > the other stuff you've discussed.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> > -- Catawumpus   
   >>>>   
   >>>> OK, you win. Everybody's an idiot except you.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> I first noticed this phenomenon in Korea where the person who shouts   
   >>>> the loudest wins the argument.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> But it happens here too, without the shouting. The means justify the   
   >>>> ends, and if you have to twist the other person's words, throw around   
   >>>> invalid arguments to confuse the issue and misrepresent the others'   
   >>>> positions, that's ok, just as long as you get the last word in - it's   
   >>>> a battle of attrition.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Senator Joseph McCarthy won on those terms too. Sure, everybody walked   
   >>>> out shaking their heads about him too, but at least he got the   
   >>>> satisfaction of getting in the last word.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Halfawake, give him his imaginary prize, and leave him to his misery.   
   >>>> No doubt the man's an overweight geek with bad teeth, a puss that only   
   >>>> a motherfucker could love and probably still a virgin. Have mercy and   
   >>>> let him have his little victory.   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>> Perhaps Catawumpus is   
   >>> a woman who has lost a child   
   >>> and suffers from the anger of grief.   
   >>>   
   >>> ^~   
   >>   
   >>There is something very angry about him/her that simply cancels out the   
   >>possibility of rational discussion.   
   >   
   >Maybe so, and that's a very unfortunate position.   
   >Ought to arouse pity rather than anger.   
   >We'd like to help, but we haven't enough skill.   
      
   Only because everything he says is way over your head.   
      
   Just an observation.   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
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