XPost: talk.religion.buddhism, alt.zen, alt.philosophy.zen   
   XPost: alt.buddha.short.fat.guy   
   From: niunian@ymail.com   
      
   On Fri, 13 Aug 2010 11:04:24 -0500, Keynes    
   wrote:   
      
   >On Fri, 13 Aug 2010 15:52:40 +0000 (UTC), oxtail  wrote:   
   >   
   >>zenworm wrote:   
   >>   
   >>> On Aug 13, 7:32?am, Catawumpus  wrote:   
   >>>> Jigme Dorje :   
   >>>>   
   >>>> >> OK, you win. Everybody's an idiot except you.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> ? ? ?Definitely idiotic of you to think your little circle adds   
   >>>> up to everyone.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> > > I first noticed this phenomenon in Korea where the person who   
   >>>> > > shouts the loudest wins the argument. But it happens here too,   
   >>>> > > without the shouting. The means justify the ends, and if you have   
   >>>> > > to twist the oher person's words, throw around invalid arguments to   
   >>>> > > confuse the issue and misrepresent the others positions, that's ok,   
   >>>> > > just as long as you get the last word in - it's a battle of   
   >>>> > > attrition.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> ? ? ?Funny thing is that I just lately handed you the last word   
   >>>> in roughly half-a-dozen places and returned to politely ignoring you --   
   >>>> same thing I was doing before you grabbed me by the arm and started   
   >>>> preaching. ?Result: ?only a day or so later you're back again,   
   >>>> following-up my posts in order to kick and fuss.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> zenworm :   
   >>>>   
   >>>> > Perhaps Catawumpus is   
   >>>> > a woman who has lost a child   
   >>>> > and suffers from the anger of grief.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> ? ? ?Perhaps zenworm speculates about me because he's unable to   
   >>>> address what I've said. ?When last heard from he was busy making   
   >>>> excuses, stamping his feet, and referring to examples he hadn't given.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> -- Catawumpus   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>> Perhaps you are terminally ill?   
   >>>   
   >>> Is there anything this worm can do to help?   
   >>>   
   >>> It is said 'time heals all wounds',   
   >>> but that does not seem true.   
   >>> All that seems to happen in time   
   >>> is learning to live with wounds and scars. That ownership causes   
   >>> suffering.   
   >>> The only way to end suffering is to 'put down'* the identity that   
   >>> resists this Moment. (by ownership of expectations and other things) The   
   >>> emotional anguish of refusing accepting. is sometimes displaced into   
   >>> argumentativeness... Cater(wumpus)wauling?   
   >>>   
   >>> *put down:   
   >>> - to release hold of something held   
   >>> as in placing 'it' on the ground so as to divest oneself of it.   
   >>> - to put a suffering beast out of its misery as in euthanasia/mercy   
   >>> killing.   
   >>> - to bring attention to a feature having a less than desirable result on   
   >>> behalf of its owner.   
   >>>   
   >>> Put it all down.   
   >>>   
   >>> "This katana is sharp.   
   >>> The long years of its use   
   >>> have made these helping hands strong." - Nemo Toda   
   >>>   
   >>> ^~   
   >>   
   >>   
   >>Let's see why this is not skillful enough.   
   >>Anyone?   
   >   
   >One can't change his mind by means of his mind.   
   >The mind road is circular just going around and around.   
   >   
   >Meditation is a wordless way to investigate.   
   >Is or is-not misses the point.   
   >   
   >There is no useful substitute for mindful present attention.   
   >   
      
   Knowledge is not the same as attention, or awareness, or moment...   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)