XPost: talk.religion.buddhism, alt.zen, alt.philosophy.zen
XPost: alt.buddha.short.fat.guy
From: oxtail@nowhere.org
Keynes wrote:
> oxtail wrote:
>>Keynes wrote:
>>> oxtail wrote:
>>>>Keynes wrote:
>>>>> oxtail wrote:
>>>>>>zenworm wrote:
>>>>>>> On Aug 13, 7:32 am, Catawumpus wrote:
>>>>>>>> Jigme Dorje :
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >> OK, you win. Everybody's an idiot except you.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Definitely idiotic of you to think your little circle
>>>>>>>> adds
>>>>>>>> up to everyone.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> > > I first noticed this phenomenon in Korea where the person who
>>>>>>>> > > shouts the loudest wins the argument. But it happens here
>>>>>>>> > > too, without the shouting. The means justify the ends, and if
>>>>>>>> > > you have to twist the oher person's words, throw around
>>>>>>>> > > invalid arguments to confuse the issue and misrepresent the
>>>>>>>> > > others positions, that's ok, just as long as you get the last
>>>>>>>> > > word in - it's a battle of attrition.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Funny thing is that I just lately handed you the last
>>>>>>>> word
>>>>>>>> in roughly half-a-dozen places and returned to politely ignoring
>>>>>>>> you -- same thing I was doing before you grabbed me by the arm
>>>>>>>> and started preaching. Result: only a day or so later you're
>>>>>>>> back again, following-up my posts in order to kick and fuss.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> zenworm :
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> > Perhaps Catawumpus is
>>>>>>>> > a woman who has lost a child
>>>>>>>> > and suffers from the anger of grief.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Perhaps zenworm speculates about me because he's unable
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> address what I've said. When last heard from he was busy making
>>>>>>>> excuses, stamping his feet, and referring to examples he hadn't
>>>>>>>> given.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -- Catawumpus
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Perhaps you are terminally ill?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Is there anything this worm can do to help?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It is said 'time heals all wounds',
>>>>>>> but that does not seem true.
>>>>>>> All that seems to happen in time
>>>>>>> is learning to live with wounds and scars. That ownership causes
>>>>>>> suffering.
>>>>>>> The only way to end suffering is to 'put down'* the identity that
>>>>>>> resists this Moment. (by ownership of expectations and other
>>>>>>> things) The emotional anguish of refusing accepting. is sometimes
>>>>>>> displaced into argumentativeness... Cater(wumpus)wauling?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *put down:
>>>>>>> - to release hold of something held
>>>>>>> as in placing 'it' on the ground so as to divest oneself of it. -
>>>>>>> to put a suffering beast out of its misery as in euthanasia/mercy
>>>>>>> killing.
>>>>>>> - to bring attention to a feature having a less than desirable
>>>>>>> result on behalf of its owner.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Put it all down.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "This katana is sharp.
>>>>>>> The long years of its use
>>>>>>> have made these helping hands strong." - Nemo Toda
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ^~
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Let's see why this is not skillful enough. Anyone?
>>>>>
>>>>> One can't change his mind by means of his mind. The mind road is
>>>>> circular just going around and around.
>>>>>
>>>>> Meditation is a wordless way to investigate. Is or is-not misses the
>>>>> point.
>>>>>
>>>>> There is no useful substitute for mindful present attention.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>And?
>>>
>>> There's nowhere to go and no time to get there. What are you looking
>>> for?
>>>
>>> Explanations are not forthcoming.
>>
>>
>>Are you skillful at listening to other people?
>
> Do you have an opinion on that?
Not at the moment.
Should we pay more attention to what he is saying?
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