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   XPost: alt.buddha.short.fat.guy   
   From: firehose@everywhere.com   
      
   brian mitchell wrote:   
      
   > Jigme Dorje wrote:   
   >   
   >   
   >>Brian, there is a lot we could chat about together if we could sit down   
   >>for a cup of tea...   
   >   
   > Yes, although first you'd have to come down from that pulpit because   
   > there's not room enough for two up there.   
   >   
   >> What I would say is of course not personal, ie.   
   >>directed to "you" as an identity.   
   >   
   > Well, what I am about to say IS personal and directed straight to you as   
   > a contingent identity. Our chat would be difficult because you don't   
   > appear to actually listen to (read) what anyone else says. Based, I'm   
   > assuming, on some experience --which I have no grounds or desire to   
   > doubt-- and what seems to be a thoroughly religious predisposition, you   
   > have constructed a narrative of 'awakening and progress towards' by   
   > which you are completely convinced, and against which you judge what you   
   > take to be the condition of everyone else. If asked a simple question   
   > you go rolling off into a grand sermon, always sonorous and   
   > well-constructed, but pretty oblivious to the *questioner* and, frankly,   
   > clichéd. Below the cassock it's quite easy to discern the feet of a man   
   > who is, by remaining nature, irrascible and contemptuous of others.   
   >   
   > I reject your extreme yoking of suffering to awakening. People can have   
   > very different casts of mind and different skillful attributes. Yes, a   
   > catastrophic psychic shock can arrest the mad mind, but so can other   
   > things. And I reject your characterisation of self/ego as a disease,   
   > seeing it more as a natural and necessary pre-metamorphic (chrysalis)   
   > stage in the development of the mind --to be left behind, certainly, but   
   > not sacrificed or martyred.   
   >   
   > All the above is, of course, merely my opinion based on my subjective   
   > observation. It's also my opinion that you made a *serious* mistake   
   > jumping back so soon into this tide-race of competitive mentation. I   
   > would have advised you to leave your job, your family, all your links   
   > and possessions, and live alone in a cave for at least a year to explore   
   > the new world, rather than rush back to expoit it.   
      
      
   Very well said.   
   But have you?   
      
   --   
   Firehose should be filtered out as well as those who talk to him regularly   
      
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