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   From: oxtail@nowhere.org   
      
   Catawumpus wrote:   
      
   > oxtail :   
   >   
   > [the "next world" in the Apannaka Sutta]   
   >   
   >> You are trying to boil the cookbook to make a soup out of it.   
   >   
   >      I'm quoting the recipe and showing you beets appear on the   
   > list of ingredients.  You hate beets.  But rather than choosing a   
   > different recipe, you claim this one doesn't mention them.   
   >   
   >      I remind you they're explicitly listed.  You say I'm being   
   > literal-minded.  I note that even if you call the recipe allegorical,   
   > _it still has beets_, so you were still wrong when you said they weren't   
   > there.   
   >   
   >      You reply that the recipe doesn't require them.  I respond   
   > that although making them optional permits you to cook the soup without   
   > using them, it doesn't remove them from the listed ingredients.   
   >   
   >      Unwilling to concede, you deny beets are truly part of the   
   > recipe.  But I provide quotes showing you it asserts they belong in "the   
   > true soup" and states that a person who includes them is doing "right   
   > cooking."   
   >   
   >      You ask if I really believe in the recipe.  I point out we   
   > are debating about the ingredients it uses, not whether to believe what   
   > it says, and remind you yet again that it includes beets, despite your   
   > denial.   
   >   
   >      You say the writer didn't really care about beets.  I once   
   > again quote the recipe, demonstrating that she not only included beets   
   > but firmly insisted on their truth and rightness.   
   >   
   >      Now you say I'm boiling the cookbook.  Not so:  I'm simply   
   > showing you beets are a part of the recipe we've been discussing.  When   
   > you argue they aren't in it, you're obviously wrong.   
      
      
   You are arguing that   
   tomato soup does not have to have tomato   
   so long as it is garnished with basil.   
      
   --   
   Oxtail is not doing what he thinks he is doing here.   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)