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   From: Not-Sure@ideocracy.gov   
      
   On 07/24/2018 03:10 AM, Attila wrote:   
   > On Sat, 21 Jul 2018 19:41:56 -0400, #BeamMeUpScotty   
   >  in alt.atheism with message-id   
   > <9xP4D.453288$br4.63128@fx34.iad> wrote:   
   >   
   >>> On 7/21/2018 7:47 AM, David Hartung wrote:   
   >>   
   >>>> you   
   >>>> have presented no reasoned argument that the "human life" and   
   >>>> "person-hood" are two different things.   
   >> A person is an individual human that has environmental experiences.   
   > That has been born alive.   
   >   
   That's NOT what it says in the Constitution.   
      
   The person has to be born alive to be a citizen....  they always were a   
   person, from conception.   
      
   Amendment XIV   
   Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and   
   subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States   
   and of the State wherein they reside.   
      
   They are a person before they are Naturalized and a person before they   
   are born. That's why they are "all persons born or all persons   
   naturalized" they were all persons from conception and be they born or   
   naturalized they are both citizens.   
      
   A person born in the United States, is a person that was later born in   
   the united States, birth does NOT create a person, it creates a citizen.   
   That was the point of the clause.   
      
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