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   From: Not-Sure@ideocracy.gov   
      
   On 07/24/2018 03:07 AM, Attila wrote:   
   > On Thu, 19 Jul 2018 12:04:30 -0400, #BeamMeUpScotty   
   >  in alt.atheism with message-id   
   >  wrote:   
   >   
   >> On 07/18/2018 04:37 PM, edell@post.com wrote:   
   >>> On Wednesday, July 18, 2018 at 3:33:09 PM UTC-4, David Hartung wrote:   
   >>>> On 07/18/2018 01:22 PM, Josh Rosenbluth wrote:   
   >>>>> On 7/18/2018 10:20 AM, David Hartung wrote:   
   >>>>>> On 07/18/2018 12:12 PM, Josh Rosenbluth wrote:   
   >>>>>>> On 7/18/2018 10:01 AM, David Hartung wrote:   
   >>>>>>>> On 07/18/2018 09:33 AM, Josh Rosenbluth wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>> On 7/18/2018 2:12 AM, David Hartung wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>> On 07/17/2018 10:37 PM, Josh Rosenbluth wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>> On 7/17/2018 8:24 PM, David Hartung wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> On 07/17/2018 09:38 AM, Rudy Canoza wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/17/2018 1:50 AM, Tom Sr. wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, July 16, 2018 at 6:22:59 AM UTC-4, David Hartung   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Science says otherwise.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> You have NO UNDERSTANDING of SCIENCE, David Hartung.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> . . .   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> The fact is, life begins at conception.  *Human* life, in   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> particular.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> The argument isn't about whether the   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> gamete/embryo/fetus/developing baby is a human life, because it   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> indisputably is.  The argument is about whether that human life   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> is a person or not.  It is.  It has to be.  The argument that   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> it doesn't become a person until birth is illogical nonsense.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> One of the few thing on which Rudy and I agree.   
   >>>>>>>>>>> And yet you refuse to acknowledge a necessary logical consequence   
   >>>>>>>>>>> of your position that Rudy has acknowledged: a woman who has an   
   >>>>>>>>>>> abortion must be treated as a first-degree murderer, no different   
   >>>>>>>>>>> than a woman who hires a doctor to kill her teenage son.   
   >>>>>>>>>> If the unborn child is a human being deserving of society's   
   >>>>>>>>>> protection, should there not be consequences for those who   
   >>>>>>>>>> terminate the life of the child? Penalties for both mother and   
   >>>>>>>>>> doctor?   
   >>>>>>>>> Yes.   
   >>>>>>>> So you agree that there should be penalties?   
   >>>>>>> No.  I don't think the fetus is a person.   
   >>>>>> Are you attempting to differentiate between "human life" and "person"?   
   >>>>> Yes.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Are you going to continue to avoid answering my question?   
   >>>> Your question is immaterial. What is important at this point is how you   
   >>>> can look at a human life and decide that it is not worthy of the   
   >>>> protection of society.   
   >>> As a fetus, it contributes nothing to society,   
   >>   
   >> We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect   
   >> Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the   
   >> common defence, promote the general Welfare, *and secure the*   
   >> *Blessings* *of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity* , do ordain and   
   >> establish this Constitution for the United States of America.   
   >>   
   >> *and secure the blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity*   
   >> *and secure the blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity*   
   >> *and secure the blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity*   
   >> *and secure the blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity*   
   >> *and secure the blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity*   
   >> *and secure the blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity*   
   >> *and secure the blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity*   
   >> *and secure the blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity*   
   >> *and secure the blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity*   
   >> *and secure the blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity*   
   >> *and secure the blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity*   
   >> *and secure the blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity*   
   >> *and secure the blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity*   
   >> *and secure the blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity*   
   >> *and secure the blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity*   
   >> *and secure the blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity*   
   >>   
   >>   
   >>   
   >> Abortion is an assault on the very idea of the Constitution where it   
   >> explains in the *Preamble* that we do this for ourselves *AND* our   
   >> posterity and if the unborn in the uterus aren't our posterity then what   
   >> is?   
   >   
   > The preamble is not a basis for any law.   
   >   
   > Humans are not an endangered species.   
   >   
   > There is no requirement that every possible individual must exist.   
   >   
   >   
      
   We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal,   
   that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights,   
   that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.   
      
      
   All the text leading up to the Constitution tell you what the intent   
   was, and it wasn't to kill the human life that is our posterity.   
      
   >> secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and *our Posterity* , do   
   >> ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of   
   >> America.   
      
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