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From: Not-Sure@ideocracy.gov
On 07/24/2018 12:33 PM, Attila wrote:
> On Tue, 24 Jul 2018 11:46:40 -0400, #BeamMeUpScotty
> in alt.atheism with message-id
> wrote:
>
>> On 07/24/2018 03:07 AM, Attila wrote:
>>> On Thu, 19 Jul 2018 12:04:30 -0400, #BeamMeUpScotty
>>> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 07/18/2018 04:37 PM, edell@post.com wrote:
>>>>> On Wednesday, July 18, 2018 at 3:33:09 PM UTC-4, David Hartung wrote:
>>>>>> On 07/18/2018 01:22 PM, Josh Rosenbluth wrote:
>>>>>>> On 7/18/2018 10:20 AM, David Hartung wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 07/18/2018 12:12 PM, Josh Rosenbluth wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 7/18/2018 10:01 AM, David Hartung wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 07/18/2018 09:33 AM, Josh Rosenbluth wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/18/2018 2:12 AM, David Hartung wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 07/17/2018 10:37 PM, Josh Rosenbluth wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/17/2018 8:24 PM, David Hartung wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 07/17/2018 09:38 AM, Rudy Canoza wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/17/2018 1:50 AM, Tom Sr. wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, July 16, 2018 at 6:22:59 AM UTC-4, David Hartung
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Science says otherwise.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You have NO UNDERSTANDING of SCIENCE, David Hartung.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> . . .
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The fact is, life begins at conception. *Human* life, in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> particular.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The argument isn't about whether the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gamete/embryo/fetus/developing baby is a human life, because it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> indisputably is. The argument is about whether that human
life
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is a person or not. It is. It has to be. The argument
that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it doesn't become a person until birth is illogical nonsense.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> One of the few thing on which Rudy and I agree.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> And yet you refuse to acknowledge a necessary logical consequence
>>>>>>>>>>>>> of your position that Rudy has acknowledged: a woman who has an
>>>>>>>>>>>>> abortion must be treated as a first-degree murderer, no different
>>>>>>>>>>>>> than a woman who hires a doctor to kill her teenage son.
>>>>>>>>>>>> If the unborn child is a human being deserving of society's
>>>>>>>>>>>> protection, should there not be consequences for those who
>>>>>>>>>>>> terminate the life of the child? Penalties for both mother and
>>>>>>>>>>>> doctor?
>>>>>>>>>>> Yes.
>>>>>>>>>> So you agree that there should be penalties?
>>>>>>>>> No. I don't think the fetus is a person.
>>>>>>>> Are you attempting to differentiate between "human life" and "person"?
>>>>>>> Yes.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Are you going to continue to avoid answering my question?
>>>>>> Your question is immaterial. What is important at this point is how you
>>>>>> can look at a human life and decide that it is not worthy of the
>>>>>> protection of society.
>>>>> As a fetus, it contributes nothing to society,
>>>>
>>>> We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect
>>>> Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the
>>>> common defence, promote the general Welfare, *and secure the*
>>>> *Blessings* *of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity* , do ordain and
>>>> establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
>>>>
>>>> *and secure the blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity*
>>>> *and secure the blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity*
>>>> *and secure the blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity*
>>>> *and secure the blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity*
>>>> *and secure the blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity*
>>>> *and secure the blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity*
>>>> *and secure the blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity*
>>>> *and secure the blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity*
>>>> *and secure the blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity*
>>>> *and secure the blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity*
>>>> *and secure the blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity*
>>>> *and secure the blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity*
>>>> *and secure the blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity*
>>>> *and secure the blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity*
>>>> *and secure the blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity*
>>>> *and secure the blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Abortion is an assault on the very idea of the Constitution where it
>>>> explains in the *Preamble* that we do this for ourselves *AND* our
>>>> posterity and if the unborn in the uterus aren't our posterity then what
>>>> is?
>>>
>>> The preamble is not a basis for any law.
>>>
>>> Humans are not an endangered species.
>>>
>>> There is no requirement that every possible individual must exist.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal,
>> that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights,
>> that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
>>
>>
>> All the text leading up to the Constitution tell you what the intent
>> was, and it wasn't to kill the human life that is our posterity.
>
> It did not and was not intended to address that question.
>
> This is another case of seeing what isn't there.
Being blind is just an excuse, but being stupid is a character flaw.
>
>>
>>>> secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and *our Posterity* , do
>>>> ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of
>>>> America.
>
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