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   From: bd@phyl.con   
      
   On 7/24/2018 12:10 AM, Attila wrote:   
   > On Sat, 21 Jul 2018 19:41:56 -0400, #BeamMeUpScotty   
   >  in alt.atheism with message-id   
   > <9xP4D.453288$br4.63128@fx34.iad> wrote:   
   >   
   >>   
   >>> On 7/21/2018 7:47 AM, David Hartung wrote:   
   >>   
   >>   
   >>>> you   
   >>>> have presented no reasoned argument that the "human life" and   
   >>>> "person-hood" are two different things.   
   >>   
   >> A person is an individual human that has environmental experiences.   
   >   
   > That has been born alive.   
      
   Wrong.   
      
   >>   
   >> Someone on a deserted island is still a person without any other persons   
   >> around. A person hooked to a Dialysis machine to keep them alive is a   
   >> person NOT a parasite and NOT a part of the machine, they are an   
   >> individual person.   
   >   
   > All have been born alive.   
      
   That isn't what made them persons.   
      
   >>   
   >> As is a human life inside a uterus where Alcohol fetal syndrome can   
   >> change the person by way of our interaction.   
   >   
   > But while the species is human it is not a yet a human being.   
      
   It is.   
      
   >>   
   >> There are other things that also make that human life a unique "person"   
   >>from conception.   
   >   
   > Until it has survived live birth it is not yet a person   
      
   That's false. Birth is merely a change of venue.   
      
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