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   From: Not-Sure@ideocracy.gov   
      
   On 07/24/2018 03:10 AM, Attila wrote:   
   > On Sat, 21 Jul 2018 19:41:56 -0400, #BeamMeUpScotty   
   >  in alt.atheism with message-id   
   > <9xP4D.453288$br4.63128@fx34.iad> wrote:   
   >   
   >>> On 7/21/2018 7:47 AM, David Hartung wrote:   
   >>   
   >>>> you   
   >>>> have presented no reasoned argument that the "human life" and   
   >>>> "person-hood" are two different things.   
   >> A person is an individual human that has environmental experiences.   
   > That has been born alive.   
   >   
   That's NOT what it says in the Constitution.   
      
   The person has to be born to be a citizen....  but they always were a   
   person, from conception until death.   
      
   Amendment XIV   
   Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and   
   subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States   
   and of the State wherein they reside.   
      
   They are a person before they are Naturalized citizens, and a person   
   before they are born. That's why they are "all persons born or all   
   persons naturalized" they were all persons from conception and "before   
   they were citizens" and be they born or naturalized persons they both   
   become citizens after they're persons.   
      
   All persons born or naturalized in the United States, is a person that   
   was later born in the united States because they need the protection of   
   the U.S. Government as a person from conception where ever they are in   
   the world, birth does NOT create a person, it creates a U.S. citizen.   
      
   *That was the point of the clause*   
      
   --   
   That's Karma   
      
      
                        *Rumination*   
   138 - The common theme in Liberalism is that they always want to change   
   reality to fit their feelings.   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)