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   From: bd@phyl.con   
      
   On 7/26/2018 1:39 PM, Attila wrote:   
   > On Thu, 26 Jul 2018 13:13:50 -0400, #BeamMeUpScotty   
   >  in alt.atheism with message-id   
   >  wrote:   
   >   
   >> On 07/24/2018 03:10 AM, Attila wrote:   
   >>> On Sat, 21 Jul 2018 19:41:56 -0400, #BeamMeUpScotty   
   >>>  in alt.atheism with message-id   
   >>> <9xP4D.453288$br4.63128@fx34.iad> wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>>> On 7/21/2018 7:47 AM, David Hartung wrote:   
   >>>>   
   >>>>>> you   
   >>>>>> have presented no reasoned argument that the "human life" and   
   >>>>>> "person-hood" are two different things.   
   >>>> A person is an individual human that has environmental experiences.   
   >   
   >>> That has been born alive.   
   >>>   
   >> That's NOT what it says in the Constitution.   
   >>   
   >> The person has to be born to be a citizen....  but they always were a   
   >> person, from conception until death.   
   >   
   > That is not what the Constitution says.   
      
   The Constitution doesn't address it at all.   
      
   >>   
   >> Amendment XIV   
   >> Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and   
   >> subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States   
   >> and of the State wherein they reside.   
   >>   
   >> They are a person before they are Naturalized citizens, and a person   
   >> before they are born. That's why they are "all persons born or all   
   >> persons naturalized" they were all persons from conception and "before   
   >> they were citizens" and be they born or naturalized persons they both   
   >> become citizens after they're persons.   
   >   
   > That is not what the Constitution says.   
      
   It doesn't address it at all.   
      
   >> All persons born or naturalized in the United States, is a person that   
   >> was later born in the united States because they need the protection of   
   >> the U.S. Government as a person from conception where ever they are in   
   >> the world, birth does NOT create a person, it creates a U.S. citizen.   
   >>   
   >> *That was the point of the clause*   
   >   
   > That is not what the Constitution says.   
      
   You don't know what the Constitution says.   
      
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