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   From: bd@phyl.con   
      
   On 7/26/2018 4:30 PM, Attila wrote:   
   > On Thu, 26 Jul 2018 14:37:31 -0700, Bud Dickman  in   
   > alt.atheism with message-id  wrote:   
   >   
   >> On 7/26/2018 1:39 PM, Attila wrote:   
   >>> On Thu, 26 Jul 2018 13:13:50 -0400, #BeamMeUpScotty   
   >>>  in alt.atheism with message-id   
   >>>  wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>> On 07/24/2018 03:10 AM, Attila wrote:   
   >>>>> On Sat, 21 Jul 2018 19:41:56 -0400, #BeamMeUpScotty   
   >>>>>  in alt.atheism with message-id   
   >>>>> <9xP4D.453288$br4.63128@fx34.iad> wrote:   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>>> On 7/21/2018 7:47 AM, David Hartung wrote:   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> you   
   >>>>>>>> have presented no reasoned argument that the "human life" and   
   >>>>>>>> "person-hood" are two different things.   
   >>>>>> A person is an individual human that has environmental experiences.   
   >>>   
   >>>>> That has been born alive.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>> That's NOT what it says in the Constitution.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> The person has to be born to be a citizen....  but they always were a   
   >>>> person, from conception until death.   
   >>>   
   >>> That is not what the Constitution says.   
   >>   
   >> The Constitution doesn't address it at all.   
   >   
   > Then why did you make the statement about what is or is not in the   
   > Constitution?   
      
   I didn't.  You did.   
      
   >>   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Amendment XIV   
   >>>> Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and   
   >>>> subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States   
   >>>> and of the State wherein they reside.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> They are a person before they are Naturalized citizens, and a person   
   >>>> before they are born. That's why they are "all persons born or all   
   >>>> persons naturalized" they were all persons from conception and "before   
   >>>> they were citizens" and be they born or naturalized persons they both   
   >>>> become citizens after they're persons.   
   >>>   
   >>> That is not what the Constitution says.   
   >>   
   >> It doesn't address it at all.   
   >   
   > Then why did you start by pasting it?   
      
   I didn't.  You did.   
      
      
   >>   
   >>>> All persons born or naturalized in the United States, is a person that   
   >>>> was later born in the united States because they need the protection of   
   >>>> the U.S. Government as a person from conception where ever they are in   
   >>>> the world, birth does NOT create a person, it creates a U.S. citizen.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> *That was the point of the clause*   
   >>>   
   >>> That is not what the Constitution says.   
   >>   
   >> You don't know what the Constitution says.   
   >   
   > I am well aware.   
      
   You clearly are not.  You clearly are only an ignorant sophomoric   
   polemicist, as well as a rapist and would-be murderer.   
      
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