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   From: Not-Sure@ideocracy.gov   
      
   On 07/26/2018 05:37 PM, Bud Dickman wrote:   
   > On 7/26/2018 1:39 PM, Attila wrote:   
   >> On Thu, 26 Jul 2018 13:13:50 -0400, #BeamMeUpScotty   
   >>  in alt.atheism with message-id   
   >>  wrote:   
   >>   
   >>> On 07/24/2018 03:10 AM, Attila wrote:   
   >>>> On Sat, 21 Jul 2018 19:41:56 -0400, #BeamMeUpScotty   
   >>>>  in alt.atheism with message-id   
   >>>> <9xP4D.453288$br4.63128@fx34.iad> wrote:   
   >>>>   
   >>>>>> On 7/21/2018 7:47 AM, David Hartung wrote:   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>>> you   
   >>>>>>> have presented no reasoned argument that the "human life" and   
   >>>>>>> "person-hood" are two different things.   
   >>>>> A person is an individual human that has environmental experiences.   
   >>   
   >>>> That has been born alive.   
   >>>>   
   >>> That's NOT what it says in the Constitution.   
   >>>   
   >>> The person has to be born to be a citizen....  but they always were a   
   >>> person, from conception until death.   
   >>   
   >> That is not what the Constitution says.   
   >   
   > The Constitution doesn't address it at all.   
   >   
   >>>   
   >>> Amendment XIV   
   >>> Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and   
   >>> subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States   
   >>> and of the State wherein they reside.   
   >>>   
   >>> They are a person before they are Naturalized citizens, and a person   
   >>> before they are born. That's why they are "all persons born or all   
   >>> persons naturalized" they were all persons from conception and "before   
   >>> they were citizens" and be they born or naturalized persons they both   
   >>> become citizens after they're persons.   
   >>   
   >> That is not what the Constitution says.   
   >   
   > It doesn't address it at all.   
   >   
   >>> All persons born or naturalized in the United States, is a person that   
   >>> was later born in the united States because they need the protection of   
   >>> the U.S. Government as a person from conception where ever they are in   
   >>> the world, birth does NOT create a person, it creates a U.S. citizen.   
   >>>   
   >>> *That was the point of the clause*   
   >>   
   >> That is not what the Constitution says.   
   >   
   > You don't know what the Constitution says.   
      
   Amendment XIV   
   Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and   
   subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States   
   and of the State wherein they reside.   
      
   That is - ALL PERSONS *BORN OR NATURALIZED* IN THE UNITED STATES,....   
      
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