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   Allan Svensson to All   
   The Trinity   
   13 Feb 06 17:00:26   
   
   From: allan-sv@algonet.se   
      
                                       The Trinity   
      
   The Bible teaches plainly that the Father is a person, and the Son Jesus   
   Christ is a person, and that the Holy Spirit is a person. Please read John   
   6th, 8th, 10th, 14th, 15th and 16th Chapter. Jesus speaks there about   
   the Father and about himself.   
      
   John 16:13-14 shows plainly that the Holy Spirit is a person. "But when   
   that One comes, the Spirit of Truth, He will guide you into all Truth, for   
   He will not speak from Himself, but as many things as He hears, He will   
   speak; and He will announce the coming things to you. That One will   
   glorify Me, for He will take from Mine and will announce to you."   
      
   There is no reason to make a separate doctrine of this, named "the doctrine   
   of the trinity". But men have done such a doctrine, and in that way caused   
   a problem entirely unnecessarily.   
      
   This is a worry for many Christians. The word "trinity" does not occur in   
   the Bible, and how to think about this? We do not need to take any notice   
   of "the doctrine of the trinity". This doctrine is only a figment. We can   
   ignore this doctrine and read God's word just as it is written in the Bible.   
      
   God has not given us any problem with the trinity. Nevertheless, when   
   people manipulate with God's word and make their own theories and   
   doctrines, then problems appear. Instead of reading God's word as it is   
   written, they have made a doctrine about what the Bible teaches. They   
   have a doctrine about the doctrine.   
      
   They also have made a doctrine about what the Bible teaches about the   
   Assembly of God, and a doctrine about what the Bible teaches about the   
   baptism in the Holy Spirit. Consequently, they have not preached the truth   
   of the Assembly of God, and not the truth of the baptism in the Holy Spirit.   
      
   Every church and every denomination have its own assembly doctrine,   
   but they have one sake in common. They are religious black buildings   
   and are not founded on God's word.   
      
   "Jehovah's Witnesses" deny God's trinity and say that Jesus is not God,   
   and that the Holy Spirit is no person, but it is clear from many places in   
   the Bible that Jesus existed before he was born as a man. Jesus himself   
   says in John 17:5, "And now Father, glorify Me with Yourself, with the   
   glory which I had with You before the world was to be." In Col. 1:14-17   
   we see that Jesus is the first-born, and all things were created through   
   him and for him.   
      
   Other, who also deny God's trinity, mean that the Father and the Son and   
   the Holy Spirit are the same person. This doctrine has been spread out of   
   William M. Branham.   
      
   Jesus says to his disciples, "...baptizing them into the name of the Father   
   and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit," Matt. 28:19. Observe. This is not   
   a doctrine of the Church, but words of Jesus. The Churches have mixed   
   God's word with their own doctrine, and therefore, when we reject the   
   false doctrine of the Church, then we must be careful so that we do not   
   also reject God's word.   
      
   In John 14:16-17 Jesus says, "And I will ask the Father, and He will give   
   you another Advocate, that He may remain with you to the age, the Spirit   
   of Truth, whom the world cannot receive because it does not see Him nor   
   know Him; but you know Him, for He abides with you and shall be in you."   
   In verse 26, "... but the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will   
   send in My name, He shall teach you all things and shall remind you of all   
   things that I said to you." If now the Father and the Holy Spirit and Jesus   
   himself is the same person, then it implies that Jesus will pray to himself   
   that he will send himself to his disciples. Does it not seem strange?   
      
   In verse 23 Jesus says, "If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my   
   Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with   
   him."(KJV) Why does Jesus say "we" and "our" if he comes alone? Jesus   
   says in John 5:19 that he can do nothing by himself. He can do only what he   
   sees his Father doing. The Father had sent Jesus and he came to do his   
   Father's will. John 6:38.   
      
   Jesus does not say to Philip that he is the Father. He says, "Do you not   
   believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in Me? The words which   
   I speak to you I do not speak from Myself, but the Father, the One abiding   
   in Me, He does the works." John 14:10. We can read from Luke 22:41-42, "   
   And He was withdrawn from them, about a stone's throw. And having   
   placed the knees, He prayed, saying, Father, if You purpose it, take away   
   this cup from Me; but let not be My will, but Yours be done."To whom did   
   Jesus pray? Did he pray to himself?   
      
   The Lord's Prayer in John 17th chapter, is it a monologue where he tells   
   with himself? "And I do not ask concerning these only, but also concerning   
   the ones who will believe into Me through their word; that all may be   
   one, as You are in Me, Father, and I in You, that they also may be one in   
   Us, that the world may believe that You sent Me. And I have given them   
   the glory which You have given Me, that they may be one, as We are one:   
   I in them, and You in Me, that they may be perfected in one; and that the   
   world may know that You sent Me and You loved them, just as You loved   
   Me." Verses 20-23.   
      
   The Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit are the same God, perfectly   
   united to one, but it does not imply that they are the same person. Jesus   
   wants that the same unity may be among his people.   
      
   The man is also a trinity and consists of spirit, soul and body, and is   
   created   
   in the triune God's image. "And God said, let Us make man in Our image,   
   according to Our likeness; ..." Gen.1:26. (But a man is only one person).   
      
      
   Allan Svensson   
      
   If you have any questions after reading of this article   
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