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|    Allan Svensson to All    |
|    The Election (1/2)    |
|    18 Sep 06 07:19:47    |
      From: allan-sv@algonet.se               The Election                     Please, read Romans the 9th chapter.       "For the children being not yet born, neither have done any good       or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand,       not of works, but of him that calleth; It was said unto her, The       elder shall serve the younger. Verses 11-12. For he saith to Moses,       I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have       compassion on whom I will have compassion. So then it is not of       him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth       mercy. 15-16. Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same       lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?       What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power       known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted       to destruction: And that he might make known the riches of his       glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto       glory, Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also       of the Gentiles? 21-24.              Some people interpret this as if our own will have no importance       for our salvation. Everything is predetermined by God, and he has       made some vessels for noble purposes and some for common use.       But God's election does not exclude their own will, neither regarding       those who are "for honour purposes" nor regarding those who are       "for dishonour".              Those who crucified Jesus had their own will, but what did they       want? Oh, they wanted to kill Jesus. They cannot excuse themselves       on the ground that it was predetermined by God. For they hated Jesus       and they had plotted how they might kill Jesus. Matt. 12:14.       John 11:53.              People who do not serve God of free will and do not obey him,       God uses them "for common use". Right in their wickedness and       peevishness, God uses them to fulfil the prophecies of the Bible.       "For of a truth against thy holy servant Jesus, whom thou hast       anointed, both Herod and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles, and       the people of Israel, were gathered together, For to do whatsoever       thy hand and thy counsel determined before to be done.       Acts 4:27-28.              Those who don't serve God of their own free will, they must serve       him against their own will. (They themselves don't understand it).       "...for all are thy servants." Psalm 119:91. (Or according to the       Swedish Bible. "...for everything must serve you)."       For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh: Even for this same purpose       have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that       my name might be declared troughout all the earth." Rom.9:17.       This does not imply that Pharaoh had no will. But what did he       want? Oh, he wanted to keep Israel's people in slavery in Egypt.              "So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of       God that sheweth mercy. " Rom. 9:16. We can find an explanation       of this in John 5:15-47 where Jesus spoke to the Jews. They wanted       to have the eternal life that God had promised. Therefore, they       diligently study the Scriptures and thought that by them they       possessed eternal life, but their will and striving were yet in vain.       Why? It was one thing that they did not were willing to do. They       were not willing to believe in Jesus!              "Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and       they are they which testify of me. And ye will not come to me, that       ye might have life... For had ye believed Moses, ye would have       believed me: for he wrote of me. But if ye believe not his writings,       how shall ye believe my words?" Verses 39-40, 46-47.              In these Scriptures which they study it is written, "I will raise them       up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put       my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall       command him. And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not       hearken unto my words, which he shall speak in my name, I will       require it of him." Deut. 18:18-19.              God sends this Prophet. He comes and walks living in their midst.       He preaches God's word and makes great wonders and miracles and       signs, and healing the sick, but they won't believe him! That was       their everlasting calamity. They trusted to the election and meant       that since Abraham was their father, then it was all right.       Nevertheless, this fact could not help them. Please, read Matt.3:7-10       and John 8:37-39.              Still, today Israel people think of that way. They trust to the election       that they are God's peculiar people. But those who don't believe in       Jesus become exterminated, says God's word. "I said therefore unto       you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he,       ye shall die in your sins." John 8:24.              The election is no sleep-pillow to laze on. In the Bible are many       warnings of apostasy. Please, read Rom. 11:17-24. Ezekiel 18:21-       24, 33:11-20. Israel's sins and punishment under their wandering in       the desert, is a warning for us. "Now all these things happened unto       them for examples: and they are written for our admonition, upon       whom the ends of the world are come. Wherefore let him that       thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall." 1 Cor. 10:1-12. If we       don't love the truth, then we fall in the false doctrines. 2 Thess.       2:10-12.              Some people think that all men become saved with the end, also the       most ungodly, but there is no such a doctrine in the Bible. Peter       speaks in Acts 3:19-23, "Repent, ye therefore, and be converted,       that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing       shall come from the presence of the Lord; And he shall send Jesus       Christ, which before was preached unto you: Whom the heaven must       receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath       spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.       For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your       God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye       hear in all things whatsoever he shall say to you. And it shall come       to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be       destroyed from among the people."              The restoration of everything does not imply that those who have       been cut off among the people become restored. The restoration       that Peter here tells about is a restoration of God's kingdom. Daniel       7:13-14. God's kingdom shall break in pieces and consume all other       kingdoms, and it shall stand forever. Daniel 2:44. Jesus is the King       of God's Kingdom and he rules over all. Psalm 103:19. Rom. 8:19-25.              "Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to       them that trouble you; And to you who are troubled rest with us,       when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty       angels, In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God,       and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ. Who shall be       punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord,              [continued in next message]              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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