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                                The Trinity   
      
   "Jehovah's Witnesses" deny God's trinity and say that Jesus is not   
   God, and that the Holy Spirit is no person, but it is clear from many   
   places in the Bible that Jesus existed before he was born as a man.   
   Jesus himself says in John 17:5, "And now, O Father, glorify thou   
   me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before   
   the world was." In Col. 1:14-17 we see that Jesus is firstborn of   
   every creature, and all things were created by him and for him.   
   Other, who also deny God's trinity, mean that the Father and the   
   Son and the Holy Spirit are the same person. This doctrine has   
   been spread out of William M. Branham.   
      
   It is very clear of God's word that the Father is a person and the Son   
   is a person and the Holy Spirit is a person. Jesus says to his disciples,   
   "...baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the   
   Holy Ghost." Matt. 28:19. Observe, this is not a doctrine of the   
   Church, but words of Jesus. The Churches have mixed God's word   
   with their own doctrine, and therefore, when we reject the false   
   doctrine of the Church, then we must be careful so that we do not   
   reject also God's word.   
      
   In John 14:16-17 Jesus says, "And I will pray the Father, and he shall   
   give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;   
   Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it   
   seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth   
   with you, and shall be in you." In verse 26, "But the Comforter, which   
   is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall   
   teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance,   
   whatsoever I have said unto you." If now the Father and the Holy   
   Spirit and Jesus himself is the same person, then it implies that   
   Jesus will pray to himself that he will send himself to his disciples.   
   Does it not seem strange?   
      
   In verse 23 Jesus says, "If a man love me, he will keep my words:   
   and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make   
   our abode with him." Why does Jesus say "we" and "our" if he   
   comes alone? Jesus says in John 5:19 that he can do nothing by   
   himself. He can do only what he sees his Father doing. The Father   
   had sent Jesus and he came to do his Father's will. John 6:38.   
      
   Jesus does not say to Philip that he is the Father. He says, "Believest   
   thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that   
   I speak unto I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me,   
   he doeth the works." John 14:10. We can read from Luke 22:41-42,   
   "And he was withdrawn from them about a stone's cast, and kneeled   
   down, and prayed, Saying Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup   
   from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done."   
   To whom prayed Jesus? Did he pray to himself?   
      
   The Lord's Prayer in John 17th chapter, is it a monologue where he   
   tells with himself? "Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also   
   which shall believe on me through their word; That they all may be   
   one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be   
   one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. And   
   the glory which you gavest me I have given them; that they may be   
   one, even as we are one: I in them, and thou in me, that they may be   
   made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast   
   sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me."   
   Verses 20-23.   
      
   The Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit are the same God,   
   perfectly united to one, but it does not imply that they are the same   
   person. Jesus wants that the same unity may be among his people.   
      
   The man is also a trinity and consists of spirit, soul and body, and   
   is created in the triune God's image. "And God said, Let us make   
   man in our image, after our likeness..." Gen.1:26.   
   (But a man is only one person).   
      
      
      
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