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   From: slider@anashram.com   
      
   On Tue, 12 Mar 2024 17:03:58 -0000, Venus as a Boy   
    wrote:   
      
   > Am 11.03.2024 um 14:52 schrieb slider:   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>  Okay, thanks.   
   >>>>   
   >>>   
   >>> But i don't like lucid dreaming too much anymore because sometimes   
   >>> when the soul or the astralprojection or whatever you call it leaves   
   >>> the body and travells my physical body followed my soul and i   
   >>> sometimes almost couldn't return from the otherworlds!   
   >>  ### - total control arrives at the midway point (a kind of dark void),   
   >> a place in awareness where there are no dreams (unless you want/choose   
   >> them to happen) and then suddenly you have the clearest feeling that   
   >> you have total control because it feels like you know everything   
   >> directly, a huge confidence coming from this feeling of full control so   
   >> it would be impossible to get stuck somewhere, you simply wouldn't   
   >> allow it to happen, the idea to get stuck would not exist...   
   >>  accordingly, this midway point is the best place to get to because   
   >> then you can choose to dream or not to dream, you can choose to explore   
   >> old memories and/or remember old dreams and examine them either from   
   >> the inside as a lucid dream, or more objectively from the outside as an   
   >> observer standing in that void kinda thing, like reading a book...   
   >>  i.e., to stand in that void/midway point is to know things directly,   
   >> stand anywhere else and we can only know things subjectively, usually   
   >> in symbols that are then open to personal interpretation   
   >>  theory: most people never find this midway point/void, as such they   
   >> have no other option but to think in terms of subjective symbols to   
   >> describe/explain their experiences, symbolic 'language' that has to be   
   >> interpreted by whatever standard exists at the time, be it cultural,   
   >> religious, a school of thought, or whatever...   
   >>  at the midway point, however, there 'is' no language, there is only a   
   >> direct knowing...   
   >   
   > CC called it also silet knowledge which describes it better as i had   
   > some (silent) knowledge during visions   
      
   ### - that is exactly what i was thinking/saying too...   
      
   this 'silent knowledge' being the main feature of the midway point/void i   
   was talking about   
      
   that this midway point/void is probably exactly what you (and everyone   
   else) accidentally experienced during your 'visions', it's what anyone has   
   ever experienced because this midway point area in awareness is what is   
   available, it may have been described in different ways by different   
   schools of thought but in reality it's all only ever been the same   
   experience!   
      
   my point being, that you/anyone can easily learn to find this midway point   
   in WILDing and go to it as many times as you like to get information,   
   information about anything you're interested in! anything at all!   
      
   e.g., if you're interested in spiritual things then you will ask questions   
   about spiritual matters and find the answers/explanations to them, ditto   
   'any' other subject under thew sun!   
      
   and it's not a scary experience because you can feel yourself being in   
   full control at all times :)   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)