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   From: pedro@border.com   
      
   On 29 Jan 2025, Just Wondering  posted some   
   news:oNtmP.46851$TgDc.8399@fx38.iad:   
      
   > On 1/28/2025 11:45 PM, Attila wrote:   
   >> On Tue, 28 Jan 2025 12:33:02 -0800, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>> No, I have proved that unlawful presence in the U.S. is not   
   >>> a crime. You're just too stupid and too much of a loser to get it.   
   >>   
   >> Of course it is.  By definition anything unlawful is a   
   >> crime.  Otherwise it would be lawful.   
   >>   
   > By definition anything defined by statute to be a crime is a crime.   
   > There are a myriad things that are unlawful that are not crimes, for   
   > example torts and breaches of contract, also statutes that only carry   
   > civil penalties if they are violated.   
   >   
   > Anyone who enters the country illegally has committed a crime,   
   > 8 U.S.C. § 1325.  Anyone who assists them to stay in the USA   
   > has also committed a crime, 8 U.S.C. § 1324.   
   >   
   > A non-citizen who enters the USA with a valid visa, who stays after   
   > the visa expires, is in the country unlawfully.  Overstaying an expired   
   > visa is a civil violation, it is not a crime.  However, remaining in   
   > the face of a deportation order is a crime.   
      
   Unlawful presence / trespassing on private property is a crime and will   
   get your ass shot.   
      
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