XPost: alt.christnet.christianlife, alt.messianic, alt.religion.   
   hristian.east-orthodox   
   From: none@none.net   
      
   On 6/4/2019 6:03 AM, duckgumbo32@cox.net wrote:   
   > On Mon, 3 Jun 2019 09:35:35 -0500, Surrender the Name wrote:   
   >   
   >> On 6/3/2019 7:40 AM, duckgumbo32@cox.net wrote:   
   >>> On Sun, 02 Jun 2019 10:48:02 -0700, Robert wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>> On Jun 2, 2019, Steve Hayes wrote   
   >>>> (in article):   
   >>>>   
   >>>>> On Fri, 31 May 2019 23:31:36 -0700, Robert wrote:   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>> On May 31, 2019, Steve Hayes wrote   
   >>>>>> (in article):   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> On Thu, 30 May 2019 11:58:15 -0700, Robert wrote:   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> I just listened to this yesterday, it is totally awesome. He teaches   
   from   
   >>>>>>>> the   
   >>>>>>>> Bible on how God dealt with sin and the human race from Adam until   
   now.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> This should open the eyes of understanding for many whose religion   
   puts   
   >>>>>>>> them   
   >>>>>>>> under the law of God. It tied up a few loose ends for me, and it   
   seemed to   
   >>>>>>>> fly by in 15 minutes, although the entire teaching is 50 minutes long.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> I don't do podcasts and videos as they waste too much bandwidth, but   
   >>>>>>> that's not a problem because I do have a Bible so I can see how sin is   
   >>>>>>> defined biblically without listening to man-made definitions from some   
   >>>>>>> electronic voice.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> So if you want to know how sin is defined biblically, see:   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;   
   >>>>>>> Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in   
   >>>>>>> Christ Jesus:   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> Sin is missing the mark, like an arrow that falls short of the target.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> And what is the target?   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> The target is the glory of God.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> And what is the remedy for sin?   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> God picks us up from where we have fallen short, and puts us back on   
   >>>>>>> track.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> And the track is Orthodoxy, the straight (orthos) path to glory   
   >>>>>>> (doxa).   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> Glory to God!   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Were you aware then that we are not under the Mosaic Law? That sin is   
   not   
   >>>>>> imputed to the account of a believer in Jesus Christ. That in the   
   beginning   
   >>>>>> sin was not imputed to man from Adam up until the time of Moses?   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Oh dear, another legalist!   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Tiptoe through the TULIPs.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Please clarify, I cannot see how this is being a legalist. '   
   >>>   
   >>> Everybody knew you wouldn't understand.   
   >>>   
   >>>> As an example,   
   >>>> would you call someone who believes and holds true the statement of Jesus   
   >>>> that, “you must be born again” and that this has to be satisfied in   
   order   
   >>>> to be saved, that it is being a legalist?   
   >>>   
   >>> Yet you've make it clear that you reject water baptism. You see, liar   
   boy,   
   >>> it's all your way or the highway regarding the Word of God.   
   >>>   
   >>>> Hebrews 11:6   
   >>>   
   >>> the dukester   
   >>>   
   >>   
   >> He has you kill filed. Your insults fall upon the ears of   
   >> the deaf, which is a good thing.   
   >   
   > I know that, but the message falls on the ears of all the foolish people that   
   > might listen to him and the fabrications of his views of scripture that he   
   > throws out..   
      
    Roberts religious philosophy as I understand it is based upon   
    what Paul said in the scriptures, ergo considering that Paul teaches   
    that Gentiles are not under the laws as they stand but are to   
    abstain from fornication and meat sacrificed to idols.   
      
    Now you cannot have it both ways duke; either Paul was wrong   
    or YOU are wrong.   
      
    If Paul's gospel is truly of God then you are following the pathway   
    lain out for the Jews by Jesus.   
      
    If on the other hand Paul's gospel is not of God then you are correct.   
      
    It *CANNOT* be both...   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)   
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