XPost: alt.christnet.christianlife, alt.religion.christian.east-orthodox
From: none@none.net
On 6/4/2019 5:53 AM, duckgumbo32@cox.net wrote:
> On Mon, 03 Jun 2019 11:55:23 -0700, Robert wrote:
>
>> On Jun 3, 2019, Percival P. Cassidy wrote
>> (in article ):
>>
>>> On 6/1/19 9:46 PM, Robert wrote:
>>>> Yeah I know, knock your socks off Duke, Pat, Servant, Nick, any particular
>>>> reason that Jesus never mentioned it?
>>>>
>>>> Historian and science fiction writer H.G. Wells, in his noted workThe
>>>> Outline
>>>> of History, points out, “There is no evidence that the apostles of Jesus
>>>> ever heard of the trinity—at any rate from him” (1920, Vol. 2, p.
499).
>>>>
>>>> Killer, eh?
>>>>
>>>> Martin Luther, the RC German priest who initiated the Protestant
>>>> Reformation,
>>>> conceded, “It is indeed true that the name ‘Trinity’ is nowhere to
be
>>>> found in the Holy Scriptures, but has been conceived and invented by
man”
>>>> (reproduced in The Sermons of Martin Luther, John Lenker, editor, Vol. 3,
>>>> 1988, p. 406)
>>>>
>>>> The HarperCollins Encyclopedia of Catholicism states: “Today, how-
>>>>
>>>> ever, scholars generally agree that there is no doctrine of the Trinity as
>>>> such in either the OT[Old Testament] or the NT [New Testament] . . . It
>>>> would
>>>> go far beyond the intention and thought-forms of the OT to suppose that a
>>>> late-fourth-century or thirteenth-century Christian doctrine can be found
>>>> there . . . Likewise, the NT does not contain an explicit doctrine of the
>>>> Trinity”(Richard McBrien, general editor, 1995, “God,” pp. 564-565).
>>>>
>>>> The New Encyclopaedia Britannica, in its article on the Trinity, explains:
>>>> “Neither the word Trinity nor the explicit doctrine appears in the New
>>>> Testament . . . The doctrine developed gradually over several cen- turies
>>>> and
>>>> through many controversies . . . It was not until the 4th century that the
>>>> distinctness of the three and their unity were brought together in a
single
>>>> orthodox doctrine of one essence and three persons” (1985 edition,
>>>> Micropaedia, Vol. 11, p. 928).
>>>>
>>>> The New International Dictionary of New Testament Theologypoints out that
>>>> “primitive Christianity did not have an explicit doctrine of the Trinity
>>>> such as was subsequently elaborated in the creeds of the early church”
>>>> (Colin Brown, editor, Vol. 2, 1976, “God,” p. 84).
>>>>
>>>> *************************************************
>>>> All Greek to me?
>>>>
>>>> Many historians and religious scholars note that the ideas of the Greek
>>>> philosopher Plato influenced the development and acceptance of the
doctrine
>>>> of the Trinity.
>>>>
>>>> **************************************************
>>>>
>>>> Have you any proof to the contrary?
>>>> —
>>>> Hebrews 11:6
>>>
>>> You do know what the word "explicit" means, I assume?
>>>
>>> Perce
>>
>> Of course.
>>
>> Now “primitive” I would take issue with since there is no difference
then
>> and now regarding Salvation, or the operating abilities of the Hoy Spirit.
>> There is no sophistication improvements in our relationships with God, if
>> anything the god of this world has dumbed down the understanding and
>> expectations of the believer.
>
>
> Oh, robert. you always have been dumbed down. There never was any HOLY
SPIRIT
> active in the OT, on the Spirit of God.
Wrong Duke. The following verse indicates that the Holy Spirit
WAS in fact active in the OT.
Psa_51:11 (51:13) Cast me not away from thy face; and take not thy
holy spirit from me.
>
> But you not being a Christian, you wouldn't understand.
>
>> Hebrews 11:6
>
> Heb 11:39-40 pops your balloon.
>
> the dukester
>
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