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From: none@none.net
On 6/8/2019 7:16 AM, duckgumbo32@cox.net wrote:
> On Fri, 7 Jun 2019 18:09:13 -0500, Surrender the Name wrote:
>
>> On 6/7/2019 7:58 AM, duckgumbo32@cox.net wrote:
>>> On Thu, 6 Jun 2019 17:36:05 -0500, Surrender the Name
wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 6/5/2019 7:11 AM, duckgumbo32@cox.net wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 03 Jun 2019 11:55:23 -0700, Robert wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jun 3, 2019, Percival P. Cassidy wrote
>>>>>> (in article ):
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 6/1/19 9:46 PM, Robert wrote:
>>>>>>>> Yeah I know, knock your socks off Duke, Pat, Servant, Nick, any
particular
>>>>>>>> reason that Jesus never mentioned it?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Historian and science fiction writer H.G. Wells, in his noted workThe
>>>>>>>> Outline
>>>>>>>> of History, points out, “There is no evidence that the apostles of
Jesus
>>>>>>>> ever heard of the trinity—at any rate from him” (1920, Vol. 2, p.
499).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Killer, eh?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Martin Luther, the RC German priest who initiated the Protestant
>>>>>>>> Reformation,
>>>>>>>> conceded, “It is indeed true that the name ‘Trinity’ is nowhere
to be
>>>>>>>> found in the Holy Scriptures, but has been conceived and invented by
man”
>>>>>>>> (reproduced in The Sermons of Martin Luther, John Lenker, editor,
Vol. 3,
>>>>>>>> 1988, p. 406)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The HarperCollins Encyclopedia of Catholicism states: “Today, how-
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ever, scholars generally agree that there is no doctrine of the
Trinity as
>>>>>>>> such in either the OT[Old Testament] or the NT [New Testament] . . .
It
>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>> go far beyond the intention and thought-forms of the OT to suppose
that a
>>>>>>>> late-fourth-century or thirteenth-century Christian doctrine can be
found
>>>>>>>> there . . . Likewise, the NT does not contain an explicit doctrine of
the
>>>>>>>> Trinity”(Richard McBrien, general editor, 1995, “God,” pp.
564-565).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The New Encyclopaedia Britannica, in its article on the Trinity,
explains:
>>>>>>>> “Neither the word Trinity nor the explicit doctrine appears in the
New
>>>>>>>> Testament . . . The doctrine developed gradually over several cen-
turies
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> through many controversies . . . It was not until the 4th century
that the
>>>>>>>> distinctness of the three and their unity were brought together in a
single
>>>>>>>> orthodox doctrine of one essence and three persons” (1985 edition,
>>>>>>>> Micropaedia, Vol. 11, p. 928).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The New International Dictionary of New Testament Theologypoints out
that
>>>>>>>> “primitive Christianity did not have an explicit doctrine of the
Trinity
>>>>>>>> such as was subsequently elaborated in the creeds of the early
church”
>>>>>>>> (Colin Brown, editor, Vol. 2, 1976, “God,” p. 84).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *************************************************
>>>>>>>> All Greek to me?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Many historians and religious scholars note that the ideas of the
Greek
>>>>>>>> philosopher Plato influenced the development and acceptance of the
doctrine
>>>>>>>> of the Trinity.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> **************************************************
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Have you any proof to the contrary?
>>>>>>>> —
>>>>>>>> Hebrews 11:6
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You do know what the word "explicit" means, I assume?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Perce
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Of course.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now “primitive” I would take issue with since there is no
difference then
>>>>>> and now regarding Salvation, or the operating abilities of the Holy
Spirit.
>>>>>> There is no sophistication improvements in our relationships with God,
if
>>>>>> anything the god of this world has dumbed down the understanding and
>>>>>> expectations of the believer.
>>>>>
>>>>> Another stupid comment.
>>>>
>>>> I disagree.
>>>>> There was no salvation until after the cross of the NT.
>>>
>>>> Elias. Taken into Heaven.
>>>
>>> We have more revelation than the people living before the resurrection of
>>> Christ; we know the full picture. “In the past God spoke to our
forefathers
>>> through the prophets at many times and in various ways, but in these last
days
>>> he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and
>>> through whom he made the universe” (Hebrews 1:1-2).
>>
>> God has not stopped speaking to those who "listen" for His voice. What
>> I have never been able to figure out is why those that claim to "hear"
>> His "voice" lose their way so often!
>
> I absolutely agree with you here.
I was just given the answer; wealth, power and the bad influences it
draws. Joel Osteen and his prayer for pay website. He is only one of
them, there are more. These are just a few reasons why I believe
strongly that out there in the world are just me whose prayers
are being heard and acted upon. I do not believe it impossible.
>
>>> Our salvation is still based on the death of Christ,
>
>> No..it is based on our new life in Jesus. We are a new creature now
>> with a very good future, thanks to God.
>
> Yes, new life in Christ leaves the old covenant of the OT behind.
>
> Hebrews 8:7 New International Version (NIV)
> 7 For if there had been nothing wrong with that first covenant, no place
would
> have been sought for another.
>
> Thus the new covenant gives us a whole new way to life in Jesus.
>
> the dukester
>
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