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hristian.east-orthodox
From: none@none.net
On 6/8/2019 7:30 AM, duckgumbo32@cox.net wrote:
> On Fri, 7 Jun 2019 18:20:43 -0500, Surrender the Name wrote:
>
>> On 6/6/2019 6:25 AM, duckgumbo32@cox.net wrote:
>>> On Tue, 4 Jun 2019 12:42:27 -0500, Surrender the Name
wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 6/4/2019 6:14 AM, duckgumbo32@cox.net wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 03 Jun 2019 12:01:01 -0700, Robert wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jun 3, 2019, Surrender the Name wrote
>>>>>> (in article ):
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 6/3/2019 7:40 AM, duckgumbo32@cox.net wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Sun, 02 Jun 2019 10:48:02 -0700, Robert wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Jun 2, 2019, Steve Hayes wrote
>>>>>>>>> (in article):
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 31 May 2019 23:31:36 -0700, Robert wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On May 31, 2019, Steve Hayes wrote
>>>>>>>>>>> (in article):
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 30 May 2019 11:58:15 -0700, Robert wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I just listened to this yesterday, it is totally awesome. He
teaches
>>>>>>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bible on how God dealt with sin and the human race from Adam
until now.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> This should open the eyes of understanding for many whose
religion puts
>>>>>>>>>>>>> them
>>>>>>>>>>>>> under the law of God. It tied up a few loose ends for me, and it
>>>>>>>>>>>>> seemed to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> fly by in 15 minutes, although the entire teaching is 50 minutes
long.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't do podcasts and videos as they waste too much bandwidth,
but
>>>>>>>>>>>> that's not a problem because I do have a Bible so I can see how
sin is
>>>>>>>>>>>> defined biblically without listening to man-made definitions from
some
>>>>>>>>>>>> electronic voice.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> So if you want to know how sin is defined biblically, see:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of
God;
>>>>>>>>>>>> Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that
is in
>>>>>>>>>>>> Christ Jesus:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sin is missing the mark, like an arrow that falls short of the
target.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> And what is the target?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The target is the glory of God.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> And what is the remedy for sin?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> God picks us up from where we have fallen short, and puts us back
on
>>>>>>>>>>>> track.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> And the track is Orthodoxy, the straight (orthos) path to glory
>>>>>>>>>>>> (doxa).
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Glory to God!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Were you aware then that we are not under the Mosaic Law? That sin
is not
>>>>>>>>>>> imputed to the account of a believer in Jesus Christ. That in the
>>>>>>>>>>> beginning
>>>>>>>>>>> sin was not imputed to man from Adam up until the time of Moses?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Oh dear, another legalist!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Tiptoe through the TULIPs.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Please clarify, I cannot see how this is being a legalist. '
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Everybody knew you wouldn't understand.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> As an example,
>>>>>>>>> would you call someone who believes and holds true the statement of
Jesus
>>>>>>>>> that, “you must be born again” and that this has to be satisfied
in
>>>>>>>>> order
>>>>>>>>> to be saved, that it is being a legalist?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yet you've make it clear that you reject water baptism. You see, liar
boy,
>>>>>>>> it's all your way or the highway regarding the Word of God.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hebrews 11:6
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> the dukester
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> He has you kill filed. Your insults fall upon the ears of
>>>>>>> the deaf, which is a good thing. You will no longer incite
>>>>>>> his anger. There are others he can learn the truth from
>>>>>>> that do not abuse those they teach.
>>>
>>>>>> Duke also knowingly lies about me and my position with Christ.
>>>>>
>>>>> You have no position with Jessu Christ.
>>>
>>>> He doesn't see your posts.
>>>
>>> I know. This is the 5th time he's kill filed me.
>>>
>>> The learning curve is applied to those that robert foolishly misled.
>>>
>>>> Truly, you are not Jesus and not
>>>> in the position to know absolutely. Consider that Paul teaches
>>>> that Gentiles are not under the laws as they stand but are to
>>>> abstain from fornication and meat sacrificed to idols.
>>>
>>> Gentiles are those that have their own (g)od, like the Greeks with Zeus,
the
>>> pagans, etc.
>>>
>>>> Now you cannot have it both ways duke; either Paul was wrong
>>>> or YOU are wrong.
>>>
>>> I don't in any way oppose Paul. It's in understanding.
>>
>> Understanding Act, or what?
>
> Understanding anything in scripture. Contrary to the protestant way of
> following single verses, further definition and support can/may be found all
> over scripture.
>
> For instance, robert professes his faith walk (his Heb 11:6). Yet he never
read
> far enough to know that Heb 11:39-40 says the OT people were never fulfilled.
> More truth is found in James 2:26 that "faith without deeds is dead faith".
>
> So if he's Jewish, he unsatisfied, and if Christian, he doesn't understand
> deeds. Mat 25:31-46.
>
> Hebrews 8:7 New International Version (NIV)
> 7 For if there had been nothing wrong with that first covenant, no place
would
> have been sought for another.
But as you had spoken to me in another post; God does not make
mistakes, and that means that the old covenant was perfect.
Do we then lay this at the feet of men?
>
>>>> If Pauls gospel is truly of God then you are following the pathway
>>>> lain out for the Jews by Jesus.
>>>
>>> Paul doesn't have a Gospel. Paul was the first Jew conversion and sent
out to
>>> the expanding Church to teach them as Jesus taught him. He is known as the
>>> great Apostle.
>>>
>>>> If on the other hand Pauls gospel is not of God then you are correct.
>>>> It *CANNOT* be both...
>>>
>>> Paul's message is definitely of God
>
> But an Epistle, not a gospel.
>
> the dukester
>
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