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   >> As is too often the jw practice, they carve out a bit to distort and   
   >> mislead.   
   >   
   >I copied the Koran word for word. Then it is the Koran that distorts and   
   >misleads.   
      
   Oh, friend james are you reading the koran these days?  Or just the study   
   watchtower weekly topic and what it says about koran?   
      
   Yet another example where friend james doesn't know enough to rise above jw   
   watchtower propaganda.  If jw say it; it must be true.   
   >>   
   The info below shows how the bit was taken in isolation; where a broad view   
   of the koran shows the oppisite.   
   >> Here a muslim web page discusses the same bit more fully;:   
   >>   
   >> O YOU who have attained to faith! Do not take the Jews and the Christians   
   >> for your allies: they are but allies of one another and whoever of   
   >> you allies himself with them becomes, verily, one of them; behold, God does   
   >> not guide people who are unjust. (Quran 5:51)   
   >>   
   >> This verse is often quoted to show that Islam is intolerant.   
   >>   
   >> Quran is a complete book of guidance and while studying various issues it   
   >> should be kept in mind that a particular issue may be discussed   
   >> over several chapters or several verses in the same chapter. A complete   
   >> understanding can only be achieved by understanding the whole issue   
   >> as presented over all the verses and chapters and not by looking at only   
   >> part of the Quran. God specifically warns us against doing just   
   >> that, upholding part of the Quran while disregarding the rest.   
   >>   
   >> .. Then is it only a part of the Book that ye believe in, and do you reject   
   >> the rest? but what is the reward for those among you who behave   
   >> like this but disgrace in this life? - and on the Day of Judgment they   
   >> shall be consigned to the most grievous penalty. For God is not   
   >> unmindful of what ye do. (Quran 2:85)   
   >> To understand the issue of befriending the Jews, Christians or people of   
   >> any other faith, we have to study all the concerned verses from the   
   >> Quran collectively.   
   >>   
   >> Let us look at some other verses about this issue. The following two verses   
   >> regulate relations with any people, regardless of faith:   
   >>   
   >> As for such [of the unbelievers] as do not fight against you on account of   
   >> [your] faith, and neither drive you forth from your homelands, God   
   >> does not forbid you to show them kindness and to behave towards them with   
   >> full equity: for, verily, God loves those who act equitably. (Quran   
   >> 60:8)   
   >   
   >That is a direct contradiction.   
   >   
   >> God only forbids you to turn in friendship towards such as fight against   
   >> you because of [your] faith, and drive you forth from your   
   >> homelands, or aid [others] in driving you forth: and as for those [from   
   >> among you] who turn towards them in friendship; it is they, they who   
   >> are truly wrongdoers! (Quran 60:9)   
   >>  From the above verses, we learn that we are only discouraged from   
   >> befriending those who fight Muslims because of their religion. Now let's go   
   >> back to the verse immediately after 5:51, to see if it sheds some further   
   >> light on the issue.   
   >>   
   >> And yet you can not see how those in whose hearts there is disease vie with   
   >> one another for their good will (the hostile Jews and   
   >> Christians), saying [to themselves], "We do fear lest a change of fortune   
   >> bring us disaster." But God may well bring about good fortune [for   
   >> the believers] or any [other] event of His own devising, whereupon those   
   >> [waverers] will be smitten with remorse for the thoughts which they   
   >> had secretly harboured within themselves- (Quran 5:52)   
   >> During the time of the Prophet when the Jews and Christians were in open   
   >> conflict with the Muslims, there were some Muslims who were more   
   >> concerned about maintaining there alliances with the Jews and Christians at   
   >> the expense of the Muslim community. The above verse is referring   
   >> to such situations where Muslims with doubts in their hearts will ally   
   >> themselves with the enemy.   
   >>   
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   >> Chapter 5 Verse 57 of the Quran makes it clear again, who are not to be   
   >> taken as friends; O you who believe! take not for friends and   
   >> protectors those who take your religion for a mockery or sport,- whether   
   >> among those who received the Scripture before you, or among those   
   >> who reject Faith; but remain conscious of God, if you are (truly)   
   >> believers. (Quran 5:57)   
   >>   
   >> God teaches us throughout the Quran that there are righteous Jews and   
   >> Christians. As such there is no prohibition for Muslims to be friends   
   >> with Jews, Christians or people of any other faith who are of good   
   >> character.   
   >>   
   >   
   >But the Koran still doesn't want you to be kind to your enemies. Rather,   
   >based on previous conduct, they want to kill them. (see 911)   
   >   
   >But the Bible says to LOVE your enemies. (Mt 5:44) One thing that means   
   >is to do them no harm. Christendom apparently doesn't like that verse,   
   >so they ignore it. Don't rate true Christianity on the conduct of   
   >Christendom.   
   >   
   >Sincerely, James   
   >   
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