XPost: alt.bible, alt.christnet.christianlife   
   From: nospam@nightbulb.net   
      
   On 7/19/22 22:04, Robert wrote:   
   > Which renders your thoughts about God being in all men so that they can look   
   > inside yo see him as total error.   
   >   
   > You are a false teacher.   
      
   1. You are a false accuser.   
      
   2. I do not claim to be a teacher. I am just a man having a discussion.   
      
   3. It is you who pretends to be a teacher. I am debunking your teaching.   
   I debunk the lie that the church ever had the oracles of God, because   
   the church is a den of iniquity, and it is the Greco-Roman solar cult of   
   Apollo and Hades.   
      
   4. I have been repeatedly telling you and people like you to stop   
   pretending to teach because you got it wrong and you are sowing   
   confusion. The church and its traditions are anti-christ.   
      
   5. You ignored the fact that you spoke directly contrary to the   
   scripture you pretend to teach.   
      
   6. I did not say that God is in all men. I said he is in those who are   
   regenerated under the new covenant, and I gave many scriptures that say   
   exactly this. You ignored all that scripture and went on with your high   
   and holy church teaching trying to explain why the bible is false and   
   Robert's church dogma is the real truth and anyone who disagrees with   
   Robert's ideas is a false teacher.   
      
   7. So you have erected a strawman, then used that strawman to vilify me   
   with false accusation. You have put words in my mouth, words that I did   
   not say, then accused me based on your imagination. Your strawman is a lie.   
      
   Robert wrote:   
      
   > No man is born with God or the spirit of God inside, All men are born   
   > is and of evil.   
      
   > There is a god in men, that being the god of this earth, Satan. There   
   > is no good in him. Anyone that speaks otherwise is of Satan.   
      
   But scripture says the opposite of what Robert wrote:   
      
   "And thou shalt have joy and gladness; and many shall rejoice at his   
   birth. For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink   
   neither wine nor strong drink; and he _shall be filled with the Holy   
   Ghost, even from his mother’s womb_ ..." (Luke 1:14-15)   
      
   "... the babe leaped in her womb; and Elisabeth was filled with the Holy   
   Ghost: And she spake out with a loud voice, and said, Blessed art thou   
   among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb." (Luke 1:41-42)   
      
   "... And all they that heard them laid them up in their hearts, saying,   
   What manner of child shall this be! And the hand of the Lord was with   
   him." (Luke 1)   
      
   The scripture plainly says that John the Baptist was filled with the   
   Spirit even before he was born. John was neither conceived in iniquity   
   nor was he indwelt with the devil, as we quote Robert saying.   
      
   Robert side-stepped this with his strawman argument.   
      
   It is Robert that pretends to be a teacher, and teaches falsely, then   
   ignores his own contradictions when they are exposed. When Robert   
   accuses he is speaking of his own, or projecting.   
      
   Robert said plainly that no man is born with the holy Spirit dwelling in   
   him. Yet scripture plainly says a man was born with the indwelling of   
   the Spirit.   
      
   Robert said that little children are born indwelt with Satan, yet the   
   scripture says they are innocent, and their later guilt or innocence is   
   predicated on the will of God in manifesting either good or evil as he   
   sees fit.   
      
   The scripture teaches that man is clay in the potter's hand. The church   
   tradition teaches that God is man's tool, a genie in a bottle that   
   grants wishes if you say the right words.   
      
   A man could spend all his waking hours responding to the church's and   
   Robert's false accusations, and never clear his desk of them.   
      
   "And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil,   
   and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the   
   earth, and his angels were cast out with him. And I heard a loud voice   
   saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom   
   of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren   
   is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night." (Rev 12)   
      
   The dragon that speaks as the lamb is the Christian religion. The   
   Christian religion is the accuser of the brethren. It accuses men day   
   and night based on its lies and delusions. It denies that the blood of   
   Jesus was shed for all men, and instead teaches that Jesus blood only   
   covers a few sins approved by the Church religion.   
      
   Recap:   
      
   Robert says no man is born with the Holy Spirit.   
      
   Scripture says John was born full of the Spirit, even from the womb.   
      
   Robert says men are born indwelt with Satan.   
      
   Scripture says men are born into the law of sin by way of Adam, but does   
   NOT say they are indwelt with Satan. The traitor Judas is a clear   
   example of this:   
      
   "Then entered Satan into Judas surnamed Iscariot, being of the number of   
   the twelve."   
      
   All this time and scripture does not speak of Satan dwelling in anyone   
   or of little babies being born indwelt with Satan. Someone had to betray   
   Jesus to bring about God's plan, so it was Satan doing the deed.   
      
   Robert says babies are indwelt with Satan.   
      
   Scripture says babies are innocent, as yet incapable of fulfilling the   
   predestined purposes God has for them. Even the sinful human heart can   
   sense and adore the innocence of infants, who have done no evil, nor can   
   do any evil in their innocent and helpless state.   
      
   Robert says, "Anyone that speaks otherwise is of Satan."   
      
   Scripture speaks otherwise.   
      
   I expect Robert to continue with his bile and crank, and avoid   
   confessing that he told a lie. He would rather prop up strawman   
   sentences that I did not say, then accuse me of saying them, then   
   conclude anathemas upon me for what he himself is saying.   
      
   We ought to ask Robert, "Which Satan are you referring to?" Is it the   
   dragon that speaks as a lamb? The bottomless pit is the Greco-Roman   
   Hades. The Church is a Greco-Roman Imperial death cult that rose up out   
   of the Greco-Roman pit. The doctrine of the church is the fire that the   
   Roman church dragon breathes. The Dragon impersonates (anti-christ) the   
   Lamb. Satan deceives men by wearing a Jesus costume.   
      
   The Greco-Roman fake church system relies upon psychological fear and   
   terror to rob men of their money and freedom, to exercise authority over   
   them. Thus they train you up from Childhood to "fear the flame" which   
   means "obey your masters or burn." Jesus and the Apostles never   
   established this nonsense. They established the opposite of what the   
   Hades cult promotes:   
      
   "Upon this rock I will build my ekklesia [not 'church'] and the gates of   
   _Hades_ shall not prevail against it."   
      
   The rock is the Holy Spirit. Neither the bible nor a priest caste are   
   the rock. The rock is God's spirit, and the flock of Jesus is   
   established on this foundation, and no other.   
      
      
   [continued in next message]   
      
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