XPost: alt.bible, alt.christnet.christianlife   
   From: michaelmclean2021@outlook.com   
      
   On 21/07/2022 5:53 am, Nightbulb.net wrote:   
   > On 7/19/22 22:04, Robert wrote:   
   >> Which renders your thoughts about God being in all men so that they   
   >> can look   
   >> inside yo see him as total error.   
   >>   
   >> You are a false teacher.   
   >   
   > 1. You are a false accuser.   
   >   
   > 2. I do not claim to be a teacher. I am just a man having a discussion.   
   >   
   > 3. It is you who pretends to be a teacher. I am debunking your teaching.   
   > I debunk the lie that the church ever had the oracles of God, because   
   > the church is a den of iniquity, and it is the Greco-Roman solar cult of   
   > Apollo and Hades.   
   >   
   > 4. I have been repeatedly telling you and people like you to stop   
   > pretending to teach because you got it wrong and you are sowing   
   > confusion. The church and its traditions are anti-christ.   
   >   
   > 5. You ignored the fact that you spoke directly contrary to the   
   > scripture you pretend to teach.   
   >   
   > 6. I did not say that God is in all men. I said he is in those who are   
   > regenerated under the new covenant, and I gave many scriptures that say   
   > exactly this. You ignored all that scripture and went on with your high   
   > and holy church teaching trying to explain why the bible is false and   
   > Robert's church dogma is the real truth and anyone who disagrees with   
   > Robert's ideas is a false teacher.   
   >   
   > 7. So you have erected a strawman, then used that strawman to vilify me   
   > with false accusation. You have put words in my mouth, words that I did   
   > not say, then accused me based on your imagination. Your strawman is a lie.   
   >   
   > Robert wrote:   
   >   
   >> No man is born with God or the spirit of God inside, All men are born   
   >> is and of evil.   
   >   
   >> There is a god in men, that being the god of this earth, Satan. There   
   >> is no good in him. Anyone that speaks otherwise is of Satan.   
   >   
   > But scripture says the opposite of what Robert wrote:   
   >   
   > "And thou shalt have joy and gladness; and many shall rejoice at his   
   > birth. For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink   
   > neither wine nor strong drink; and he _shall be filled with the Holy   
   > Ghost, even from his mother’s womb_ ..." (Luke 1:14-15)   
   >   
   > "... the babe leaped in her womb; and Elisabeth was filled with the Holy   
   > Ghost: And she spake out with a loud voice, and said, Blessed art thou   
   > among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb." (Luke 1:41-42)   
   >   
   > "... And all they that heard them laid them up in their hearts, saying,   
   > What manner of child shall this be! And the hand of the Lord was with   
   > him." (Luke 1)   
   >   
   > The scripture plainly says that John the Baptist was filled with the   
   > Spirit even before he was born. John was neither conceived in iniquity   
   > nor was he indwelt with the devil, as we quote Robert saying.   
   >   
   > Robert side-stepped this with his strawman argument.   
   >   
   > It is Robert that pretends to be a teacher, and teaches falsely, then   
   > ignores his own contradictions when they are exposed. When Robert   
   > accuses he is speaking of his own, or projecting.   
   >   
   > Robert said plainly that no man is born with the holy Spirit dwelling in   
   > him. Yet scripture plainly says a man was born with the indwelling of   
   > the Spirit.   
   >   
   > Robert said that little children are born indwelt with Satan, yet the   
   > scripture says they are innocent, and their later guilt or innocence is   
   > predicated on the will of God in manifesting either good or evil as he   
   > sees fit.   
   >   
   > The scripture teaches that man is clay in the potter's hand. The church   
   > tradition teaches that God is man's tool, a genie in a bottle that   
   > grants wishes if you say the right words.   
   >   
   > A man could spend all his waking hours responding to the church's and   
   > Robert's false accusations, and never clear his desk of them.   
   >   
   > "And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil,   
   > and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the   
   > earth, and his angels were cast out with him. And I heard a loud voice   
   > saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom   
   > of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren   
   > is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night." (Rev 12)   
   >   
   > The dragon that speaks as the lamb is the Christian religion. The   
   > Christian religion is the accuser of the brethren. It accuses men day   
   > and night based on its lies and delusions. It denies that the blood of   
   > Jesus was shed for all men, and instead teaches that Jesus blood only   
   > covers a few sins approved by the Church religion.   
   >   
   > Recap:   
   >   
   > Robert says no man is born with the Holy Spirit.   
   >   
   > Scripture says John was born full of the Spirit, even from the womb.   
   >   
   > Robert says men are born indwelt with Satan.   
   >   
   > Scripture says men are born into the law of sin by way of Adam, but does   
   > NOT say they are indwelt with Satan. The traitor Judas is a clear   
   > example of this:   
   >   
   > "Then entered Satan into Judas surnamed Iscariot, being of the number of   
   > the twelve."   
   >   
   > All this time and scripture does not speak of Satan dwelling in anyone   
   > or of little babies being born indwelt with Satan. Someone had to betray   
   > Jesus to bring about God's plan, so it was Satan doing the deed.   
   >   
   > Robert says babies are indwelt with Satan.   
   >   
   > Scripture says babies are innocent, as yet incapable of fulfilling the   
   > predestined purposes God has for them. Even the sinful human heart can   
   > sense and adore the innocence of infants, who have done no evil, nor can   
   > do any evil in their innocent and helpless state.   
   >   
   > Robert says, "Anyone that speaks otherwise is of Satan."   
   >   
   > Scripture speaks otherwise.   
   >   
   > I expect Robert to continue with his bile and crank, and avoid   
   > confessing that he told a lie. He would rather prop up strawman   
   > sentences that I did not say, then accuse me of saying them, then   
   > conclude anathemas upon me for what he himself is saying.   
   >   
   > We ought to ask Robert, "Which Satan are you referring to?" Is it the   
   > dragon that speaks as a lamb? The bottomless pit is the Greco-Roman   
   > Hades. The Church is a Greco-Roman Imperial death cult that rose up out   
   > of the Greco-Roman pit. The doctrine of the church is the fire that the   
   > Roman church dragon breathes. The Dragon impersonates (anti-christ) the   
   > Lamb. Satan deceives men by wearing a Jesus costume.   
   >   
   > The Greco-Roman fake church system relies upon psychological fear and   
   > terror to rob men of their money and freedom, to exercise authority over   
   > them. Thus they train you up from Childhood to "fear the flame" which   
      
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