XPost: alt.bible, alt.christnet.christianlife   
   From: michaelmclean2021@outlook.com   
      
   On 21/07/2022 5:53 am, Nightbulb.net wrote:   
   > On 7/19/22 22:04, Robert wrote:   
   >> Which renders your thoughts about God being in all men so that they   
   >> can look   
   >> inside yo see him as total error.   
   >>   
   >> You are a false teacher.   
   >   
   > 1. You are a false accuser.   
   >   
   > 2. I do not claim to be a teacher. I am just a man having a discussion.   
   >   
   > 3. It is you who pretends to be a teacher. I am debunking your teaching.   
   > I debunk the lie that the church ever had the oracles of God, because   
   > the church is a den of iniquity, and it is the Greco-Roman solar cult of   
   > Apollo and Hades.   
   >   
   > 4. I have been repeatedly telling you and people like you to stop   
   > pretending to teach because you got it wrong and you are sowing   
   > confusion. The church and its traditions are anti-christ.   
   >   
   > 5. You ignored the fact that you spoke directly contrary to the   
   > scripture you pretend to teach.   
   >   
   > 6. I did not say that God is in all men. I said he is in those who are   
   > regenerated under the new covenant, and I gave many scriptures that say   
   > exactly this. You ignored all that scripture and went on with your high   
   > and holy church teaching trying to explain why the bible is false and   
   > Robert's church dogma is the real truth and anyone who disagrees with   
   > Robert's ideas is a false teacher.   
      
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   Nightbulb wrote:   
   > 7. So you have erected a strawman, then used that strawman to vilify me   
   > with false accusation. You have put words in my mouth, words that I did   
   > not say, then accused me based on your imagination. Your strawman is a lie.   
      
   Robert, I have found this a constant habit of yours, a relentless habit,   
   in our relationship over the years!  It is very, very frustrating and   
   completely unproductive.   
      
   All it has ever done is keep you where you are.  Striving to live under   
   the law of your personal "Bible" interpretations in an ongoing sinner   
   state; a curse on your life.   
      
      
      
      
   Michael McLean   
      
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   >   
   > Robert wrote:   
   >   
   >> No man is born with God or the spirit of God inside, All men are born   
   >> is and of evil.   
   >   
   >> There is a god in men, that being the god of this earth, Satan. There   
   >> is no good in him. Anyone that speaks otherwise is of Satan.   
   >   
   > But scripture says the opposite of what Robert wrote:   
   >   
   > "And thou shalt have joy and gladness; and many shall rejoice at his   
   > birth. For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink   
   > neither wine nor strong drink; and he _shall be filled with the Holy   
   > Ghost, even from his mother’s womb_ ..." (Luke 1:14-15)   
   >   
   > "... the babe leaped in her womb; and Elisabeth was filled with the Holy   
   > Ghost: And she spake out with a loud voice, and said, Blessed art thou   
   > among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb." (Luke 1:41-42)   
   >   
   > "... And all they that heard them laid them up in their hearts, saying,   
   > What manner of child shall this be! And the hand of the Lord was with   
   > him." (Luke 1)   
   >   
   > The scripture plainly says that John the Baptist was filled with the   
   > Spirit even before he was born. John was neither conceived in iniquity   
   > nor was he indwelt with the devil, as we quote Robert saying.   
   >   
   > Robert side-stepped this with his strawman argument.   
   >   
   > It is Robert that pretends to be a teacher, and teaches falsely, then   
   > ignores his own contradictions when they are exposed. When Robert   
   > accuses he is speaking of his own, or projecting.   
   >   
   > Robert said plainly that no man is born with the holy Spirit dwelling in   
   > him. Yet scripture plainly says a man was born with the indwelling of   
   > the Spirit.   
   >   
   > Robert said that little children are born indwelt with Satan, yet the   
   > scripture says they are innocent, and their later guilt or innocence is   
   > predicated on the will of God in manifesting either good or evil as he   
   > sees fit.   
   >   
   > The scripture teaches that man is clay in the potter's hand. The church   
   > tradition teaches that God is man's tool, a genie in a bottle that   
   > grants wishes if you say the right words.   
   >   
   > A man could spend all his waking hours responding to the church's and   
   > Robert's false accusations, and never clear his desk of them.   
   >   
   > "And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil,   
   > and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the   
   > earth, and his angels were cast out with him. And I heard a loud voice   
   > saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom   
   > of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren   
   > is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night." (Rev 12)   
   >   
   > The dragon that speaks as the lamb is the Christian religion. The   
   > Christian religion is the accuser of the brethren. It accuses men day   
   > and night based on its lies and delusions. It denies that the blood of   
   > Jesus was shed for all men, and instead teaches that Jesus blood only   
   > covers a few sins approved by the Church religion.   
   >   
   > Recap:   
   >   
   > Robert says no man is born with the Holy Spirit.   
   >   
   > Scripture says John was born full of the Spirit, even from the womb.   
   >   
   > Robert says men are born indwelt with Satan.   
   >   
   > Scripture says men are born into the law of sin by way of Adam, but does   
   > NOT say they are indwelt with Satan. The traitor Judas is a clear   
   > example of this:   
   >   
   > "Then entered Satan into Judas surnamed Iscariot, being of the number of   
   > the twelve."   
   >   
   > All this time and scripture does not speak of Satan dwelling in anyone   
   > or of little babies being born indwelt with Satan. Someone had to betray   
   > Jesus to bring about God's plan, so it was Satan doing the deed.   
   >   
   > Robert says babies are indwelt with Satan.   
   >   
   > Scripture says babies are innocent, as yet incapable of fulfilling the   
   > predestined purposes God has for them. Even the sinful human heart can   
   > sense and adore the innocence of infants, who have done no evil, nor can   
   > do any evil in their innocent and helpless state.   
   >   
   > Robert says, "Anyone that speaks otherwise is of Satan."   
   >   
   > Scripture speaks otherwise.   
   >   
   > I expect Robert to continue with his bile and crank, and avoid   
   > confessing that he told a lie. He would rather prop up strawman   
   > sentences that I did not say, then accuse me of saying them, then   
   > conclude anathemas upon me for what he himself is saying.   
   >   
   > We ought to ask Robert, "Which Satan are you referring to?" Is it the   
   > dragon that speaks as a lamb? The bottomless pit is the Greco-Roman   
      
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