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   From: dr.who@biosphere.orb   
      
   On Sep 25, 2022, Michael McLean wrote   
   (in article ):   
      
   > On 26/09/2022 9:34 am, Dr. Who wrote:   
   > >   
   > > A while back. A long while back I brought up a verse about being perfect,   
   > > and   
   > > also a commandment from Jesus about being perfect, as God is. It was in the   
   > > hopes of opening the door of discussion on God and perfection. Most people   
   > > see it the wrong way, and few of them ever bother to seek out why God would   
   > > even say such a thing.   
   >   
   > Keep your perversions to yourself, thanks, Robert the Coppersmith.   
   >   
   > Deplorable!   
   >   
   > Michael McLean   
      
   You could have stated you were just not interested in the subject.   
   >   
   >   
   > >   
   > > Recently a person brought up the subject in passing, and as usual used the   
   > > word erroneously, and brought it up attached to the word righteousness, and   
   > > learning.   
   > >   
   > > So I thought it was time to settle the understanding of the word perfect,   
   as   
   > > used by God in both the old and New testaments, what it means and how it   
   > > applied to both men and God. It will require some thoughtful meditation to   
   > > understand as you struggle to shake off what men typically think of, as   
   > > perfection and then it will become clear as we renew our minds per Jesus   
   > > Christ. We are commanded to be renewed in our minds. As we were raised and   
   > > grew up thinking in ungodly ways, without righteousness. And so we must   
   grow   
   > > as all babies do, in the Lord, that we might be complete in him.   
   > >   
   > > “And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the   
   renewing   
   > > of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and   
   > > perfect, will of God.” (Rom 12:2)   
   > >   
   > > “And be renewed in the spirit of your mind;” (Eph 4:23)   
   > >   
   > > While as Born Again Believers we are indeed made the righteousness of God,   
   > > spiritually, we must grow into that understanding via the reading of the   
   > > word, and listening to the Holy Spirit, so that our minds will grow up into   
   > > the fullness and completeness of our Heavenly Father as he desires.   
   > >   
   > > Here are a few samples, both old and new, the the definitions below.   
   > >   
   > > OT Verses.   
   > >   
   > > “These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in   
   his   
   > > generations, and Noah walked with God.” (Gen 6:9)   
   > >   
   > > “And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the LORD appeared to   
   Abram,   
   > > and said unto him, I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou   
   > > perfect.” (Gen 17:1)   
   > >   
   > > “As for God, his way is perfect; the word of the LORD is tried: he is a   
   > > buckler to all them that trust in him.” (2Sa 22:31)   
   > >   
   > > NT Verses   
   > >   
   > > “Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is   
   > > perfect.” (Mat 5:48)   
   > >   
   > > “And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the   
   renewing   
   > > of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and   
   > > perfect, will of God.” (Rom 12:2)   
   > >   
   > > *************************************************   
   > > "Perfect" OT style   
   > >   
   > > H8549(Ancient Hebrew)H8549 = AHLB# 1496-B (b) 1496)   
   > >   
   > > Mt% (Mt% TM) ac: Fill co: ? ab: Whole: Someone or something that is whole,   
   > > complete or full. One who is mature and upright as one who is whole.   
   > >   
   > > BDB Hebrew lexicon   
   > >   
   > > תּמים   
   > >   
   > > tâmı̂ym   
   > >   
   > > BDB Definition:   
   > >   
   > > 1) complete, whole, entire, sound   
   > >   
   > > 1a) complete, whole, entire   
   > >   
   > > 1b) whole, sound, healthful   
   > >   
   > > 1c) complete, entire (of time)   
   > >   
   > > 1d) sound, wholesome, unimpaired, innocent, having integrity   
   > >   
   > > 1e) what is complete or entirely in accord with truth and fact (neuter   
   > > adjective/substantive)   
   > >   
   > > Part of Speech: adjective   
   > > Strong's   
   > >   
   > > תָּמִים   
   > >   
   > > tâmı̂ym   
   > >   
   > > taw-meem'   
   > >   
   > > From H8552; entire (literally, figuratively or morally); also (as noun)   
   > > integrity, truth: - without blemish, complete, full, perfect, sincerely   
   > > (-ity), sound, without spot, undefiled, upright (-ly), whole.   
   > >   
   > > *********************************************** "Perfect" NT Style.   
   > >   
   > > G5046(Strong)   
   > >   
   > > τέλειος   
   > >   
   > > teleios   
   > >   
   > > tel'-i-os   
   > >   
   > > From G5056; complete (in various applications of labor, growth, mental and   
   > > moral character, etc.); neuter (as noun, with G3588) completeness: - of   
   full   
   > > age, man, perfect.   
   > >   
   > > G5046(Thayer)   
   > >   
   > > τέλειος   
   > >   
   > > teleios   
   > >   
   > > Thayer Definition:   
   > >   
   > > 1) brought to its end, finished   
   > >   
   > > 2) wanting nothing necessary to completeness   
   > >   
   > > 3) perfect   
   > >   
   > > 4) that which is perfect   
   > >   
   > > 4a) consummate human integrity and virtue   
   > >   
   > > 4b) of men   
   > >   
   > > 4b1) full grown, adult, of full age, mature   
   > >   
   > > Part of Speech: adjective   
      
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